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NNadir

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6. The main technical advantage - and it's huge - that fossil fuel have over so called...
Sat Aug 1, 2015, 12:49 AM
Aug 2015

..."renewable energy" is energy/mass density. This is in fact, why so called "renewable energy" was abandoned at the end of the 18th century, only to rear, in an insipid fashion, it's ugly head in the late 20th and early 21st century, at great cost to humanity.

The energy/mass density of nuclear fuels dwarfs dangerous fossil fuels.

At various points, this high energy to mass ratio has been problematic in the sense that materials science lagged behind physics. The step down from particles with kinetic energies at 100's of MeV to the temperatures associated with steam were challenging, but even with 50 year old technology, the process has been managed to the great benefit of the human race.

In recent years, however the developments in materials science have been mind boggling. Very high temperature ceramics, or semi-metallic ceramics like the "MAX" phases have shown the ultimate solution to these issues. An old guy like me can't read a materials science monograph these days without being struck with awe and wonder.

In addition, we've developed a number of very sophisticated cyclic chemical reactions, so called "chemical looping" and "hydrogen cycles, and hybrid hydrogen carbon dioxide cycles, all thermochemically driven. With hydrogen and carbon oxides, there are very few high volume production organic chemicals that cannot be made.

It is technically feasible for several billion people, perhaps not seven billion, but maybe three or four billion to live sustainably with uranium, thorium, plutonium, neptunium, americium and curium driven systems.

"Technically feasible" is very different from "easy" and even more different than "likely."

Unfortunately, such an outcome would take commitment, a scientifically and technically literate public, and a willingness to invest for the benefit of future generations. None of these factors right now outweigh the mass of fear and ignorance that pervades.

I think we should do away with fossil fuels because, well, they actually manage to be worse than wind and solar power, neither of which are sustainable, clean or, as we are finding out, very safe, owing to low mass density and distributed toxicology.

But we won't do away with fossil fuels, because we don't give a rat's ass about the future, and because ignorance, as has happened many times, usually the prelude to the worst times, has prevailed.

It's not a pretty scenario.

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Excellent! GliderGuider Jul 2015 #1
Thanks for your kind words. Regrettably anything I might do to fight magical thinking... NNadir Jul 2015 #3
Jeb Bush assures me that some garage tinker is going to solve all this phantom power Jul 2015 #2
For now wind energy is simply digging the hole deeper. hunter Jul 2015 #4
^^^ That GliderGuider Jul 2015 #5
The main technical advantage - and it's huge - that fossil fuel have over so called... NNadir Aug 2015 #6
So, I guess you would disagree, then, with this from Nat'l Geographic~ RiverLover Aug 2015 #7
I certainly would. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #8
Thanks for the link. You just busted my beliefs, as I google EROI, so there's that. RiverLover Aug 2015 #9
Despite what some here suspect, I have nothing against renewable energy. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #10
Forgive me if I missed it but water about the water needed for cooling power plants? Finishline42 Aug 2015 #11
Funny you should mention it... NNadir Aug 2015 #12
What do you think of this author's take, basically a rebuttal of a German study...and it seems RiverLover Aug 2015 #13
I didn't catch this comment for a while... NNadir Aug 2015 #14
Thanks for your reply. But before I stick my head in my fossil fueled oven, (because if what you RiverLover Aug 2015 #16
nnadir has one objective on DU kristopher Aug 2015 #17
Well...if you have no hope because so called "renewable energy" is an expensive failure... NNadir Aug 2015 #18
Still making shit up, eh? kristopher Aug 2015 #19
I've provided lots of references from the primary scientific literature, for the... NNadir Aug 2015 #20
You embrace deception and thrive on decrepit logic kristopher Aug 2015 #21
Whatever. I think it's pretty clear what we think of one another. NNadir Aug 2015 #22
It isn't what people think of you that you should heed, it is what they think of your reasoning. kristopher Aug 2015 #23
Just as a broken clock is right twice a day, one of you sentences is actually right. NNadir Aug 2015 #24
Coal and nuclear, two sides of the same coin kristopher Aug 2015 #15
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