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Finishline42

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11. Forgive me if I missed it but water about the water needed for cooling power plants?
Sun Aug 2, 2015, 12:08 PM
Aug 2015

Forgive me if I missed it but what about the water needed for steam cycle power plants? I just looked briefly for that in the analysis and didn't see it.

It doesn't matter if it's coal, natgas or nuclear - they all need lots of water for cooling. Nuclear plants in the Southeast have closed in the past due to drought conditions (that's rare isn't it???). Water is one of the things that we cannot survive without.

Besides that the analysis is based on going totally to renewables - something that will require break throughs in energy storage. It also assumes today's technology which just like what we see with anything that involves manufacturing is constantly evolving. Even if going 100% renewable is unrealistic, that certainly doesn't mean that we shouldn't be investing in it where it makes sense. For instance - I think the government (at all levels) should be going to PPA agreements on solar. 20 year contracts for energy produced by a roof top system with a 25 yr warranty. System will continue to produce electricity for another 20 yrs for free. It would put people to work and drive prices down. No telling what improvements will come down the pike with that kind of investment. As a reference DeBlaigo said that NYC spends over $600 million on electricity a year - so the Feds spend billions?

I like solar PV - no moving parts - low maint - just clean the surface of dirt. Windmills are mechanical and obviously wear and tear but they are also a technology that has seen considerable improvements over the last couple of decades.

Excellent! GliderGuider Jul 2015 #1
Thanks for your kind words. Regrettably anything I might do to fight magical thinking... NNadir Jul 2015 #3
Jeb Bush assures me that some garage tinker is going to solve all this phantom power Jul 2015 #2
For now wind energy is simply digging the hole deeper. hunter Jul 2015 #4
^^^ That GliderGuider Jul 2015 #5
The main technical advantage - and it's huge - that fossil fuel have over so called... NNadir Aug 2015 #6
So, I guess you would disagree, then, with this from Nat'l Geographic~ RiverLover Aug 2015 #7
I certainly would. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #8
Thanks for the link. You just busted my beliefs, as I google EROI, so there's that. RiverLover Aug 2015 #9
Despite what some here suspect, I have nothing against renewable energy. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #10
Forgive me if I missed it but water about the water needed for cooling power plants? Finishline42 Aug 2015 #11
Funny you should mention it... NNadir Aug 2015 #12
What do you think of this author's take, basically a rebuttal of a German study...and it seems RiverLover Aug 2015 #13
I didn't catch this comment for a while... NNadir Aug 2015 #14
Thanks for your reply. But before I stick my head in my fossil fueled oven, (because if what you RiverLover Aug 2015 #16
nnadir has one objective on DU kristopher Aug 2015 #17
Well...if you have no hope because so called "renewable energy" is an expensive failure... NNadir Aug 2015 #18
Still making shit up, eh? kristopher Aug 2015 #19
I've provided lots of references from the primary scientific literature, for the... NNadir Aug 2015 #20
You embrace deception and thrive on decrepit logic kristopher Aug 2015 #21
Whatever. I think it's pretty clear what we think of one another. NNadir Aug 2015 #22
It isn't what people think of you that you should heed, it is what they think of your reasoning. kristopher Aug 2015 #23
Just as a broken clock is right twice a day, one of you sentences is actually right. NNadir Aug 2015 #24
Coal and nuclear, two sides of the same coin kristopher Aug 2015 #15
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