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NNadir

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14. I didn't catch this comment for a while...
Thu Aug 13, 2015, 07:59 PM
Aug 2015

I'm not a big fan of the "EROI" metric in general, but to the extent it's useful, it's very clear that so called "renewables," have a problem. I have long argued that the renewable industry - in particular the solar industry - can't even power all the servers on this planet dedicated to saying how great it is.

Renewables inherently require back up. In fact, if people had to live on renewables, and renewables only - as they did in the 18th century and every century before that, they would spend a lot of time in the dark while living short and relatively - except for the wealthiest of the wealthiest of course (and even they wouldn't live too well). Let's face, the so called "renewable energy" business wouldn't last a New York second without access to dangerous natural gas, a fuel that has easily killed more people in the last 5 years than the Fukushima and Chernobyl events combined, not that anyone cares.

The real problem of the so called "renewable energy" business is its mass intensity, particularly given that so many components of it are toxic.

The second part of the series, "Sustaining the Wind...," Dr. Brook told me by email, will be posted shortly on "Brave New Climate." It's subtitled "Indium and Beyond..." and it looks at the availability of indium and other rare and "endangered elements" on which large segments of the so called "renewable energy" industry depends.

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Excellent! GliderGuider Jul 2015 #1
Thanks for your kind words. Regrettably anything I might do to fight magical thinking... NNadir Jul 2015 #3
Jeb Bush assures me that some garage tinker is going to solve all this phantom power Jul 2015 #2
For now wind energy is simply digging the hole deeper. hunter Jul 2015 #4
^^^ That GliderGuider Jul 2015 #5
The main technical advantage - and it's huge - that fossil fuel have over so called... NNadir Aug 2015 #6
So, I guess you would disagree, then, with this from Nat'l Geographic~ RiverLover Aug 2015 #7
I certainly would. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #8
Thanks for the link. You just busted my beliefs, as I google EROI, so there's that. RiverLover Aug 2015 #9
Despite what some here suspect, I have nothing against renewable energy. GliderGuider Aug 2015 #10
Forgive me if I missed it but water about the water needed for cooling power plants? Finishline42 Aug 2015 #11
Funny you should mention it... NNadir Aug 2015 #12
What do you think of this author's take, basically a rebuttal of a German study...and it seems RiverLover Aug 2015 #13
I didn't catch this comment for a while... NNadir Aug 2015 #14
Thanks for your reply. But before I stick my head in my fossil fueled oven, (because if what you RiverLover Aug 2015 #16
nnadir has one objective on DU kristopher Aug 2015 #17
Well...if you have no hope because so called "renewable energy" is an expensive failure... NNadir Aug 2015 #18
Still making shit up, eh? kristopher Aug 2015 #19
I've provided lots of references from the primary scientific literature, for the... NNadir Aug 2015 #20
You embrace deception and thrive on decrepit logic kristopher Aug 2015 #21
Whatever. I think it's pretty clear what we think of one another. NNadir Aug 2015 #22
It isn't what people think of you that you should heed, it is what they think of your reasoning. kristopher Aug 2015 #23
Just as a broken clock is right twice a day, one of you sentences is actually right. NNadir Aug 2015 #24
Coal and nuclear, two sides of the same coin kristopher Aug 2015 #15
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