Sustaining the Wind, Part I...

[kristopher]

21. You embrace deception and thrive on decrepit logic

Having references doesn't make the use of those references valid. In this case you have cherry picked non-representative samples in order to deceive. Let me repeat for others what You already are aware of...

The primary data set you build most of your nonsense claims on is
1) out of date - you might as well be discussing the performance of modern jet aircraft using 1940 reciprocating engine technology; and
2) misused to make claims about the general longevity of wind turbines that the data does not support - the turnover of those turbines was not due to wear and tear, but to replacement with better, more productive technology. Here is a question - of the wind turbines that were decommissioned how many a) were recycled, b) put in use at other locations and c) thrown entirely into landfills?

Building an analysis designed to deliberately deceive on narrow, non-representative samples that aren't used in context isn't science - it is hucksterism. GIGO


I could go on and on, but it really isn't worth it - nuclear isn't an acceptable nor effective route to carbon mitigation and all of efforts by it's dishonest brokers will not change the fundamentals one iota. T

So, I'll just close with a simple reminder to others about the state of your ethics.

Vestas calls itself in its company reports, the Vestas OIL, GAS and WIND company.

Posted by NNadir on Sat Oct-16-10 09:29 PM

Vestas, OIL, GAS and wind company.

They know what they are, even if mathematically illiterate purveyors of self delusion and indifference don't.

It's notable that this piece of shit dangerous fossil fuel company suffered huge losses in the middle of the decade for being required to meet five year warranties on their worthless hunks of metal.

Their "solution" to this problem with their reliability did not lead them to improve the crappy gearboxes on their subsidized garbage, but rather to reduce the warranty period from five years to two years.

It is interesting to note that the most transparently dishonest people are the first to accuse others of dishonesty.

Have a nice day.

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They were never in fossil fuel, they started in engineering
Posted by muriel_volestrangler on Sun Oct-17-10 06:17 AM

NNadir was talking a load of complete bollocks about 'oil and gas'.

# 1898 - Vestas founded by H.S. Hansen, a blacksmith, in the small town of Lem in Denmark. He and his son, Peder Hansen, manufactured steel windows for industrial buildings.
# 1945 - Peder Hansen established the company VEstjyskSTålteknik A/S, whose name was shortened to Vestas. The new company, which initially made household appliances, started to produce agricultural equipment.
# 1970s - During the second oil crisis, Vestas began to examine the potential of the wind turbine as an alternative source of clean energy.
# 1979 - Vestas delivered the first wind turbines. The industry experienced a genuine boom at the start of the 1980s, but in 1986 Vestas was forced to suspend payments because the market in the United States was destroyed due to the expiration of a special tax legislation that provided advantageous conditions for the establishment of wind turbines.

http://www.vestas.com/en/about-vestas/profile/vestas-brief-history.aspx

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No, you are very, very wrong; they have NEVER been a fossil fuel company
Posted by muriel_volestrangler on Sun Oct-17-10 06:14 AM

Vestas is a wind turbine company. It does not sell oil or gas. It never has. What it says, in one part of its website, is "Wind, Oil and Gas is Vestas’ vision, which expresses the ambition of making wind an energy source on a par with fossil fuels." So, they want to be as big as the huge oil and gas companies that supply so much of the world's energy. That's where the 'oil and gas' phrase comes from.

I realise that you're hoping no-one will check to see what your link says, because you're counting on them thinking "yet another boring piece of crap from NNadir, why bother looking?", but you are being highly misleading.

It is not a fossil fuel company. Your claim is incorrect, wrong and misleading. You have the gall to accuse others of dishonesty in the same post. You have no shame.

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