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kristopher

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23. As usual you write a wall of nonsensical text to divert from not addressing the issue
Tue Nov 24, 2015, 01:01 AM
Nov 2015

It is simple - the thing you love about that big massive, husky hunk of energy which is nuclear, is also what works against it (in several ways) for the needs of today's grid.

It is a routine occurrence for nuclear plants to have operating problems that require them to shut down immediately - the safety issue demands it.

Unless you have an extremely large amount of fossil fuel standby, taking that much power offline will crash the grid. Since we can't predict the sudden state of energy vacuum that a scrammed reactor leaves in its wake, we have to keep a shitton of fossil running all the time - just in case.

Wind and solar, though variable, are extremely predictable. That and the widely distributed nature of the collection devices, reduces dramatically the issues associated with compensating for their variable nature. We Do Not Need to Keep a Large Amount of Fossil Generation Up And Spinning "just in case" a gigawatt's worth of power is lost in an instant.

Another problem with that always on aspect of nuclear is that renewables ARE what is being built and nuclear is simply incompatible. We've seen a wave of shutdowns in coal and nuclear as these large plants are losing marginal market share to no-fuel-cost renewables. That is only going to get worse.




The world is changing and the nature of the change means nuclear is set to be only a minor distraction in our energy future. Given it's negatives of cost, safety, proliferation concerns and toxic wastes, that is a really good thing.

ETA: Since you're so fond of posting things that are totally unrelated, I'm sure you'll indulge me tossing this chart into the mix to show another aspect of nuclear that the nuclear industry likes to pretend doesn't exist:



...The story isn’t much better for new reactors added to existing power plants. Georgia Power’s Vogtle expansion, for example, is $900 million (6%) over budget through 2014 (and it just slipped again this week), with the estimated operation date already delayed by nearly two years, until 2018 (plenty of time to balloon the budget!). You’d think the utility learned a lesson when the original project went 1200% percent over budget!

Let’s not forget, either, that nuclear power has some of the largest per kilowatt- hour subsidies of any electricity source.
As the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette said, “a new nuclear project may be the hardest large-scale construction venture to keep on schedule and on budget, because of the cost, the regulations, and the infrequency of such events.” Compare that with solar power, with prices falling 50% in five years and new installations completed every 2.5 minutes.
http://blog.renewableenergyworld.com/ugc/blogs/2015/02/big-expensive-power-plants-undermine-a-clean-energy-future.html

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This should exacerbate the heavy metal pollution in China's crop land. NNadir Nov 2015 #1
No, it shouldn't - in fact, just the opposite kristopher Nov 2015 #3
Really? I would guess that the unenlightened really have no idea about Chinese mining... NNadir Nov 2015 #9
Interesting choice of arguments kristopher Nov 2015 #19
Wow! As always, we have another case of someone knowing nothing about nuclear energy... NNadir Nov 2015 #22
As usual you write a wall of nonsensical text to divert from not addressing the issue kristopher Nov 2015 #23
Um...um...um...yeah...yeah... NNadir Nov 2015 #37
This is what moving away from fossil fuels (and nuclear) looks like kristopher Nov 2015 #38
Just to clear things up, this plant WILL NOT produce and electricity. Binkie The Clown Nov 2015 #11
Exactly dumbcat Nov 2015 #14
Are you saying you expect your panels to suddenly go kaput in 3 years? kristopher Nov 2015 #16
No, I don't dumbcat Nov 2015 #17
There's no problem with my reading comprehension kristopher Nov 2015 #18
And that is exactly the problem with your reading comprehension dumbcat Nov 2015 #20
I get the idea from the words you write. kristopher Nov 2015 #21
You've been doing this for 25 years and don't seem to understand the basics of the warranty? Finishline42 Nov 2015 #34
I stand corrected. I read that 10 yr figure a long time ago, Binkie The Clown Nov 2015 #25
What a load of crap. kristopher Nov 2015 #28
So when somebody points out an error I made, I should do what? Stand my ground Binkie The Clown Nov 2015 #30
You didn't make an "error", you made a deliberate false statement kristopher Nov 2015 #32
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service Orrex Nov 2015 #36
I used to use a 10 year estimate dumbcat Nov 2015 #35
2 million homes each year. 50 years to minimally finish the US. Festivito Nov 2015 #2
More like 1,666,666 homes per year, every year the factory is operating kristopher Nov 2015 #4
The number of houses that 5GW/Year represents. eom Festivito Nov 2015 #5
You might want to learn what a "GW" is first. kristopher Nov 2015 #6
Oops. Monday. I was treating 5GW-year as power, not 5GW per year as energy. Festivito Nov 2015 #7
Yeah... Oooops... Riiiiiiiiight.... More like 1.67 million homes per year. kristopher Nov 2015 #8
{Sigh} This is really sad dumbcat Nov 2015 #10
They understand. kristopher Nov 2015 #12
What you just said dumbcat Nov 2015 #13
It follows from the words you typed. kristopher Nov 2015 #15
The answer is simple. Binkie The Clown Nov 2015 #24
You are right, it is simple kristopher Nov 2015 #26
The truth will set you free... Binkie The Clown Nov 2015 #27
I don't have a problem dealing with the truth kristopher Nov 2015 #29
There comes a time in a discussion when you realize that Binkie The Clown Nov 2015 #31
Playing the innocent lamb after trying to pass off RW falsehoods on a liberal forum? kristopher Nov 2015 #33
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