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kristopher

(29,798 posts)
8. Keep making things up
Thu Jan 14, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jan 2016

That's what you do best.

ETA: you did make one valid point - I neglected the question you posed about Nevada "why would the solar industry in Nevada be in such a panic?"

That's a classic example of the myopia you exhibit when you observe events.

There are two threads that are distinct but intertwined.
1) The progress of the industry as a whole and
2) the effect localized efforts by the entrenched energy industry can have on people who have invested in the state of things as any given time.

Nevada solar is very cost effective based on the track where it is integrated into the grid to augment peak generation. In the land of facts, this saves the utility money that should be passed on to the customer base. In the world where a regulated industry has captured control of the regulator however, the savings are coming out of the hide of the owners of existing peaking plants and baseload plants that ramp up to capture the higher prices they've structured during peak periods.
The captured regulators (in the pocket of the existing powerco owners) are scrambling to find a way to protect the investments in the existing plants - even though that is counter to their mandate.
The solution they've come up with (via ALEC) is the bogus claim that existing solar policies are costing other ratepayers money because solar owners aren't 'paying their fair share' for the grid - a claim which is a bald faced lie.
They have the power to do that though, fair or not.
Thus you have existing solar owners and businesses being harmed. I'd say their "panic" as you call it, is a well founded fury.

The problem with the utility's approach however, is that the grid is only one route for exploiting the benefits of solar. The next phase is grid defection. As the multiple battery gigafactories come online and their cost reductions drive adoption for home use, the customer base of the utilities is guaranteed to shrink. In this scenario, the utility will have no recourse and their only option will be to hike prices on their remaining customers; a move that will only accelerate grid defection.

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We don't for a minute think that cheap petroleum is here to stay. A few months of low prices aren't Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #1
That is a strong element at the personal decision level... kristopher Jan 2016 #3
It's simpler than all that FBaggins Jan 2016 #2
Great point - except it isn't true. kristopher Jan 2016 #4
Then why would the solar industry in Nevada be in such a panic? FBaggins Jan 2016 #5
Riiiight. kristopher Jan 2016 #6
Feel free to back it up whenever you like FBaggins Jan 2016 #7
Keep making things up kristopher Jan 2016 #8
Can you be more specific re: what you think I made up? FBaggins Jan 2016 #11
1) Given your penchant for making things up... kristopher Jan 2016 #12
Never happened? FBaggins Jan 2016 #15
I didn't "repeat it several times" kristopher Jan 2016 #16
Many posts are gone, but Google still reflects eight or nine instances FBaggins Jan 2016 #17
I provided the original text and linked to it - it supports what I wrote. kristopher Jan 2016 #18
It appears there IS a live link that supports what F.Baggins stated NickB79 Jan 2016 #23
2) Policies kristopher Jan 2016 #13
3) Nevada kristopher Jan 2016 #14
The "investment" they're making is a toxicological nightmare. Only a person who... NNadir Jan 2016 #19
Poor little feller.... kristopher Jan 2016 #20
Of course, I could cut and paste mindlessly from the 27,400 references to arsenic in solar... NNadir Jan 2016 #21
Pathetic whinging... kristopher Jan 2016 #22
I always enjoy it enormously when anti-nukes openly display their intellectual level. NNadir Jan 2016 #24
coal/oil are obsolete and no price decline changes that - future corporate growth is in renewables n msongs Jan 2016 #9
Yes, but... kristopher Jan 2016 #10
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