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FBaggins

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11. Can you be more specific re: what you think I made up?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 03:52 PM
Jan 2016

You definitely said that 1TW of production capacity was expected within the decade (and that was somewhere around the start of this decade). You also claimed that China was moving away from Nuclear and that their renewables policies were evidence of this (in your continued confusion that the two are not compatible systems).

Re: Nevada - It's an interesting conversation, but beside the point. It is evidence that new solar/wind rely heavily on proper governmental policies. I think Nevada is premature, but we both know that once renewables are a significant portion of generation, retail pricing plans have to depart from net-metering and free/cheap access to the grid as backup. If I need something to be available 24/7/365 (and no... home batteries don't change that), but I don't intend to use it... then a consumption pricing model doesn't make sense. I don't think that Nevada is there yet (though they probably are there for net-metering), but that's a timing conversation.

Rather that nitpick on that one, there are LOTS of other examples that make the point. What was the prediction for 2016/2017 renewables installations in the US before/after the recent policy change? What's the impact on renewables in the UK when the conservatives shut off the taps? What was the impact on new wind capacity in the US over the last three years compared to 2012? Plenty large enough to prove "governmental policy decisions" continue to be the primary driver for expanding renewables despite cheap fossil fuel prices.

Nevada solar is very cost effective based on the track where it is integrated into the grid to augment peak generation.


I'd say that it's better than that. Nevada is one of the places where a large portion of demand tracks almost perfectly with PV capacity utilization. It effectively ends the need for peak generation for A/C needs in the summer. Unfortunately, this is also what accelerates the demise of net-metering. They'll eventually get to the point where hot sunny days have too much excess capacity and they have to find someone to take generation off their hands (as with Germany). This means simultaneously that "peaker" plants at unviable and that residential solar excesses have no value (yes, until it can be stored cheaply). It doesn't make sense to pay them a flat rate for power that has little to no value.

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We don't for a minute think that cheap petroleum is here to stay. A few months of low prices aren't Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #1
That is a strong element at the personal decision level... kristopher Jan 2016 #3
It's simpler than all that FBaggins Jan 2016 #2
Great point - except it isn't true. kristopher Jan 2016 #4
Then why would the solar industry in Nevada be in such a panic? FBaggins Jan 2016 #5
Riiiight. kristopher Jan 2016 #6
Feel free to back it up whenever you like FBaggins Jan 2016 #7
Keep making things up kristopher Jan 2016 #8
Can you be more specific re: what you think I made up? FBaggins Jan 2016 #11
1) Given your penchant for making things up... kristopher Jan 2016 #12
Never happened? FBaggins Jan 2016 #15
I didn't "repeat it several times" kristopher Jan 2016 #16
Many posts are gone, but Google still reflects eight or nine instances FBaggins Jan 2016 #17
I provided the original text and linked to it - it supports what I wrote. kristopher Jan 2016 #18
It appears there IS a live link that supports what F.Baggins stated NickB79 Jan 2016 #23
2) Policies kristopher Jan 2016 #13
3) Nevada kristopher Jan 2016 #14
The "investment" they're making is a toxicological nightmare. Only a person who... NNadir Jan 2016 #19
Poor little feller.... kristopher Jan 2016 #20
Of course, I could cut and paste mindlessly from the 27,400 references to arsenic in solar... NNadir Jan 2016 #21
Pathetic whinging... kristopher Jan 2016 #22
I always enjoy it enormously when anti-nukes openly display their intellectual level. NNadir Jan 2016 #24
coal/oil are obsolete and no price decline changes that - future corporate growth is in renewables n msongs Jan 2016 #9
Yes, but... kristopher Jan 2016 #10
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