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kristopher

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13. 2) Policies
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 04:15 PM
Jan 2016
It's an interesting conversation, but beside the point. It is evidence that new solar/wind rely heavily on proper governmental policies. I think Nevada is premature, but we both know that once renewables are a significant portion of generation, retail pricing plans have to depart from net-metering and free/cheap access to the grid as backup. If I need something to be available 24/7/365 (and no... home batteries don't change that), but I don't intend to use it... then a consumption pricing model doesn't make sense. I don't think that Nevada is there yet (though they probably are there for net-metering), but that's a timing conversation.

Responding to the bold text:
No, it is exactly the point you asked about when you claimed that government policies (your example was mandates for renewables) are what is driving global investment decisions. Remember please that you are responding to an article about global investment. You cited mandates, I countered with "policies that ...have driven price reductions in renewables".

Mandates do help to lower prices by creating artificial demand that stimulates investment in manufacturing. But the strategy of strong direct support for manufacturing that has been pursued by China (which I explicitly referenced) had far, far greater impact on the rate and scale of price reduction than any government's mandated level of installed renewable generation.


Your original remark attempting to refute that the drive for investment is based on the declining cost of renewables:
It's simpler than all that. It's due to (mostly) wise governmental policy decisions. If, for instance, we require that x% of generation come from renewables, then it doesn't matter how cheap alternatives become.

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We don't for a minute think that cheap petroleum is here to stay. A few months of low prices aren't Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #1
That is a strong element at the personal decision level... kristopher Jan 2016 #3
It's simpler than all that FBaggins Jan 2016 #2
Great point - except it isn't true. kristopher Jan 2016 #4
Then why would the solar industry in Nevada be in such a panic? FBaggins Jan 2016 #5
Riiiight. kristopher Jan 2016 #6
Feel free to back it up whenever you like FBaggins Jan 2016 #7
Keep making things up kristopher Jan 2016 #8
Can you be more specific re: what you think I made up? FBaggins Jan 2016 #11
1) Given your penchant for making things up... kristopher Jan 2016 #12
Never happened? FBaggins Jan 2016 #15
I didn't "repeat it several times" kristopher Jan 2016 #16
Many posts are gone, but Google still reflects eight or nine instances FBaggins Jan 2016 #17
I provided the original text and linked to it - it supports what I wrote. kristopher Jan 2016 #18
It appears there IS a live link that supports what F.Baggins stated NickB79 Jan 2016 #23
2) Policies kristopher Jan 2016 #13
3) Nevada kristopher Jan 2016 #14
The "investment" they're making is a toxicological nightmare. Only a person who... NNadir Jan 2016 #19
Poor little feller.... kristopher Jan 2016 #20
Of course, I could cut and paste mindlessly from the 27,400 references to arsenic in solar... NNadir Jan 2016 #21
Pathetic whinging... kristopher Jan 2016 #22
I always enjoy it enormously when anti-nukes openly display their intellectual level. NNadir Jan 2016 #24
coal/oil are obsolete and no price decline changes that - future corporate growth is in renewables n msongs Jan 2016 #9
Yes, but... kristopher Jan 2016 #10
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