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GliderGuider

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42. Fortunately the world has room enough for both scientists and philosophers.
Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:17 AM
Mar 2016

The ongoing polarization of Western culture towards the endpoints of science and religion has largely depopulated the middle ground where I am most comfortable. My position has a lot in common with those in the 19th century who were called "natural philosophers".

Mortimer Adler describes natural philosophy this way:

"Major branches of natural philosophy include astronomy and cosmology, the study of nature on the grand scale; etiology, the study of (intrinsic and sometimes extrinsic) causes; the study of chance, probability and randomness; the study of elements; the study of the infinite and the unlimited (virtual or actual); the study of matter; mechanics, the study of translation of motion and change; the study of nature or the various sources of actions; the study of natural qualities; the study of physical quantities; the study of relations between physical entities; and the philosophy of space and time."

That is a succinct description of the "scientific" subset of my range of interests, to which I have added the human-centered soft sciences of psychology, sociology and anthropology, as well as an interest in the nature of consciousness and the non-dualism of Zen and Advaita.

Because of this breadth, enabled by the fact that I'm not concerned with success or status, I have lived my life as an enthusiastic dilettante. When it comes to knowledge, breadth is far more important to me than mastery. I'm a huge proponent of consilience.

I'm not attached to science or any other field of human exploration as a primary source of meaning. I was actually relieved when my root cause analysis of the human condition ended in a position of total nihilism, where the concept of intrinsic meaning was swept away.

Hinduism has given us the archetype of Shiva: a god who is simultaneously the destroyer and creator. My conclusion that the Second Law was in a sense the First Cause (of the material universe and all its manifestations) became the Destroyer aspect of Shiva. That conclusion destroyed for me all possibility of finding intrinsic, external meanings "out there" somewhere. At the same time, however, it also displayed Shiva's Creator aspect. By destroying all possibility of external meaning it opened the space for me to create my own meaning.

What that word salad means is that most people who have been successfully programmed by their nature and culture to derive meaning from a single area like science or religion may find my views mushy, shallow, unfocused and ill-conceived. What to them is a sign of my failure I take as a sign of success in my endeavor to live life on my own terms.

To your statement, "The extent to which we are experiencing heat death is a choice, not a technological, or for that matter, a physical imperative" I would respond that this reflects your personal perception of human choice and the role of physical imperatives in the operation of the universe. Your use of the categorical "is" arrogates a certainty about these matters that IMO is epistemologically dubious. However, I'm quite happy that you have found this position meaningful. If you are making a mistake, it's perhaps similar to one I've made many times in my own explorations: projecting a personal view as a universal truth.

I may be attaching too much meta to my physics for your taste, but it's a dish that suits me to a T. The wonderful part of life is that there is room for us all, at least for a little while longer.

Have a great weekend yourself.

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Oligarchy capitalism is killing our two most valuable resources: the planet and the people on it. nt JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #1
WWII and the Cold War were fought to decide whose system would get to wreck the planet. GliderGuider Mar 2016 #4
Once humans are extinct, the planet will recover. I wonder how many times humans have done this? JFKDem62 Mar 2016 #9
dude, this is the first time it is the fault of humans Viva_La_Revolution Mar 2016 #16
The biosphere is coming to an end. Earth will be out of the habitable zone in about 800 million DhhD Mar 2016 #45
a few incremental tweaks around the edges should do the trick tk2kewl Mar 2016 #2
Just need to build on the ACA / FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #6
Fund Planned Parenthood pscot Mar 2016 #21
But but EEEvil Guverment Regulations are Killing Jobs! n/t n2doc Mar 2016 #3
I fully agree Dragonfli Mar 2016 #5
Done! And thanks for asking! nt GliderGuider Mar 2016 #8
Thank YOU! people need to understand we are actually facing extermination and neo-liberalism Dragonfli Mar 2016 #11
Yes, I know about it. GliderGuider Mar 2016 #12
"Oh, we won't go extinct. Our big brains will save us." CrispyQ Mar 2016 #13
This world has witnessed and endured several extinction level events, planets do not care about Dragonfli Mar 2016 #15
Based on our experiences with Biosphere I and II GliderGuider Mar 2016 #17
Thanks for the input, I instinctively doubted we could accomplish it successfully, but with what you Dragonfli Mar 2016 #18
I knew a woman who crewed the second Biosphere II mission GliderGuider Mar 2016 #19
Wasn't one of the main problems the concrete taking up oxygen from the atmosphere? hatrack Mar 2016 #22
Close. Here's a description of the problems they had GliderGuider Mar 2016 #27
Apples and Oranges. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #30
I was commenting on Dragonfli's reference to closed environments. GliderGuider Mar 2016 #33
Yes, I understand, Paul. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #38
Yes, I think you're probably right about that. GliderGuider Mar 2016 #39
Yes, I think the new feudal overlords will attempt this: Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #31
The Human infestation will be short-lived StandingInLeftField Mar 2016 #7
That's what it looks like. nt GliderGuider Mar 2016 #10
This gets me in the gut. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #14
Me too, and I'm 61 years old. Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #32
63, almost 64 here. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #35
I've been trying to digest this information for 12 years now GliderGuider Mar 2016 #36
I'd also add that much of this was done in the name of anticapitalism MisterP Mar 2016 #20
You lost me when you attached the second law of thermodynamics to, um... NNadir Mar 2016 #23
We have different worldviews? I'm stunned. GliderGuider Mar 2016 #24
Well shriveled is a hard word. NNadir Mar 2016 #25
It has been an enormously useful concept for me. GliderGuider Mar 2016 #26
No offense taken. NNadir Mar 2016 #37
Neoliberal Capitalism and the Second Law GliderGuider Mar 2016 #40
I'm not generally reported as being "civil." That's a new one, but thanks... NNadir Mar 2016 #41
Fortunately the world has room enough for both scientists and philosophers. GliderGuider Mar 2016 #42
Well then, given the clearer perspective on our "philosophical" differences, may I suggest... NNadir Mar 2016 #43
Well said. I think I know what you mean about seeing. GliderGuider Mar 2016 #44
So my husband emails me a link to this, says Bigmack Mar 2016 #28
Humans just don't do limits. GliderGuider Mar 2016 #29
Because we use our minds The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #34
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