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NNadir

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50. Joe Romm is not really a primary research scientist. He's a "scientist" dragged out by...
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 12:07 AM
Apr 2016

...antinukes everywhere to justify their awful ignorance, but citing websites from the vast circle jerk of nuclear opponents is not quite the same as citing the primary scientific literature, nor does the citations of newspaper articles written by semi-illiterate (in the sense of scientific literacy) newspaper journalists carry much credibility.

A literate person attempting to discuss science does not cherry pick scientists, but is in general, is familiar with the broadest scope of the scientific literature on a topic under discussion. To qualify to do this, one must devote serious amounts of time to so doing.

What we have very often at Democratic Underground, when scientific work is discussed, is people who confuse the popular press, popular press accounts of scientific work, and press releases with the peer reviewed literature. These glib repetitions of single opinions based on lazy googling to get to what one wants to hear, rather than what one needs to hear in order to make a sensible judgement, is precisely the reason that efforts to address climate change, as well as the high mortality rates associated with the defacto approach to energy utilization, are grotesque failures.

Romm is a tiresome fool. He always was a tiresome fool. He always will be a tiresome fool. And as long as he is awared ertsatz credibility based on very little serious scientific work, the grotesque failure on climate that is now observed will worsen.

If one would like to post an important paper, as cited as the Karecha and Hansen paper, written in the primary scientific literature, written by Romm in the last 5 years, one is invited to do so, should one be able to find one. However if someone merely wishes to cite the pablum that Romm publishes on his website, or interviews with him relying on his popular reputation, one may do so, but one is not engaging in scientific discourse, so much as repeating more pablum that does not deserve credibility.

I like to joke that when Romm was running the climate office - a position by the way for which he was unqualified - that the world experienced the highest increases in carbon dioxide ever observed, which was true at the time, in the late 1990's.

Unfortunately, after two trillion dollars thrown down the rabbit hole in the last ten years to attempt to "prove" the nonsensical approach to climate change that Romm foolishly endorses would work, 2015 is actually worse than 1998, the year of Romm's tenure. In 1998, the concentration of dangerous fossil fuel waste in the planetary atmosphere rose 2.93 ppm. In 2015, climate gases rose 3.05 ppm, the first ever observed increase greater than 3.00 ppm in a single year.

This of course, does not take Romm off the hook. It merely represents that for reasons that escape me, political figures - possibly driven by general public ignorance - have bought into Rommian nonsense, with the result that climate's degradation is reaching unprecedented rates.

Have a pleasant Friday.

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So very sad when your/our only remaining hope of survival is RW science denial. merrily Mar 2016 #1
That's a choice. If the people choose Bernie instead Lorien Mar 2016 #3
I didn't want to raise that in a group that may wish to limit discussion to the environment/energy. merrily Mar 2016 #5
how fucking insane is it that the GOP is actually endangering the survival of humanity with their Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #11
Ok, as long as so many others are going there: merrily Mar 2016 #14
That was the most important answer from any candidate. The most. glinda Apr 2016 #51
The GOP is a money worshiping death cult. sulphurdunn Mar 2016 #19
I couldn't have put it better myself Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #22
They want to rush the Second Coming. glinda Apr 2016 #52
Senator Sanders completely and totally rejects the preferred route of addressing climate change... NNadir Mar 2016 #21
please explain this better-- you aren't making sense Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #23
Sanders is anti-nuclear; Nnadir is pro-nuclear. QED (n/t) Nihil Mar 2016 #25
OK. Thanks Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #33
If you opened the paper, it might make better sense. NNadir Mar 2016 #29
I did open it, but there was nothing in it about Sanders Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #32
What "unique risks" are you talking about? NNadir Mar 2016 #35
you've got to be fucking kidding me Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #37
I am not kidding. The environment and climate change trump all other issues with me. NNadir Mar 2016 #39
I would also ask, since you claim that there is "conflicting science" on this subject... NNadir Mar 2016 #40
I don't read the primary scientific literature on nuclear energy/power, no. Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #41
And the evidence for his "belief" is what? Since you are neither an engineer nor an energy... NNadir Mar 2016 #42
Bernie says he listens to the scientists on climate change... so why aren't they telling him Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #43
Pick your scientist OKIsItJustMe Mar 2016 #44
great-- thanks! Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #45
Joe Romm is not really a primary research scientist. He's a "scientist" dragged out by... NNadir Apr 2016 #50
I think I made it pretty clear that I regard climate change as the issue that trumps all others. NNadir Mar 2016 #48
I don't understand your dismissive attitude at all Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #49
He claims to have invented a nuclear reactor in his basement... kristopher Apr 2016 #54
thanks-- I'm glad I'm not the only one who was having an issue with what NNadir said Fast Walker 52 Apr 2016 #57
Who are you supporting then? glinda Apr 2016 #53
Ms. Clinton. NNadir Apr 2016 #55
lol SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #47
If they admit it's real - they're screwed. Plucketeer Mar 2016 #16
In general, their predictions are correct. We either pay attention or ultimately ladjf Mar 2016 #2
Bernie has stated that climate change is the greatest threat faced by humanity Lorien Mar 2016 #4
Yes. And has he tied the unbridled capitalism directly to the climate change? ladjf Mar 2016 #6
I'm sure he knows... but if he questioned capitalism more than he has already Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #13
At this point I just want to interject a comment or two. ladjf Mar 2016 #17
Capitalism is not the cause. It is a symptom of much that is defective in human nature Binkie The Clown Mar 2016 #20
You are exactly correct. I didn't mean to imply otherwise. I just chose ladjf Mar 2016 #24
exactly.... and I fucking hate the media for not even mentioning this Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #12
The increasing activity of organized humanity The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #15
Problem is, all those predictions have proven not as fast and not as bad as reality is showing us. dixiegrrrrl Mar 2016 #18
Hoping pscot Mar 2016 #7
It used to be infrequent flooding. Now it is all the time... jtuck004 Mar 2016 #8
We need to have the governments help in this change but jwirr Mar 2016 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #10
Declare WAR against climate change.. Newkularblue Mar 2016 #26
It is funny how we want things to stay the same though The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #27
+1000 Binkie The Clown Mar 2016 #28
Don't lose hope Newkularblue Mar 2016 #30
Which is the one thing we can't seem to do The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #31
Granted, our imagination and abillity to invent appears nearly limitless. But... Binkie The Clown Mar 2016 #34
Absolutely The2ndWheel Mar 2016 #36
This is not a radical departure from his earlier work OKIsItJustMe Mar 2016 #38
Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #46
The book Delphinus Apr 2016 #56
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