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shira

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147. Carter, Chomsky, Nusseibeh, and Oz aren't Bush. Try again. n/t

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State of Palestine in Overtime [View all] Jefferson23 Apr 2015 OP

support for a 2 state solution is dropping among Americans, Israelis and Palestinians Mosby Apr 2015 #1

It looks like Netanyahu may have pushed up the cause for a two state solution Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #2

good point. Mosby Apr 2015 #3

Well, the problem there is, the situations are grossly inequal Scootaloo Apr 2015 #22

One could easily say that Palestinians are occupying their ancestral lands Smithryee Apr 2015 #29

In what way are the Palestinians occupying the ancestral lands of the Jews? Little Tich Apr 2015 #83

Where'd you get that from? King_David Apr 2015 #93

Sorry for the snark. Little Tich Apr 2015 #100

palestinian nationalism has existed for maybe 100 years Mosby Apr 2015 #132

The same can be said of pretty much every national movement, though Scootaloo Apr 2015 #144

Oh my, yet another one... Little Tich Apr 2015 #158

Answer to whether Palestine Mandate is ancestral land of the Palestinians... shira Apr 2015 #97

Are you are a revisionist like David Irving? Little Tich Apr 2015 #99

Start with the excerpt from Immanuel Kant about Palestinians (Jews).... shira Apr 2015 #104

Where do you get your silly ideas from? Little Tich Apr 2015 #114

Don't use Kant like that? You can't be serious. shira Apr 2015 #128

I see what you did there n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #140

I don't. What'd I do now? n/t shira Apr 2015 #142

...I thought you were making a play on words. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #143

Thought about that after I saw what I wrote. shira Apr 2015 #145

Thought you'd like this. Here's a 1939 video of Australia vs Palestine soccer.... shira May 2015 #164

This was when Danglow was the Rabbi of st Kilda, Melbourne. Little Tich May 2015 #165

The point is that Palestinians = Jews back in 1939, as Kant wrote about.... shira May 2015 #166

Apparently, Danglow was a respected and well liked Rabbi. Little Tich May 2015 #167

A better link for you about the origins of the Palestinians shira Apr 2015 #105

I see that you're new to the Shira Experience Scootaloo Apr 2015 #116

(Jumping into the first car of the roller coaster ride, smiling) n/t Little Tich Apr 2015 #119

Three words; Scootaloo Apr 2015 #120

I remember that Aerows Apr 2015 #135

If Israel is unwilling to allow a Palestinian state, there's really not much to talk about. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #4

Nothing you have written here is accurate oberliner Apr 2015 #5

Right now one government controls all water resources, all airspace, all immigration, all geek tragedy Apr 2015 #6

What secular Arab democracy with protection of minority's such as Gays would be a good role-model? King_David Apr 2015 #7

Obviously minority rights will have to be protected. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #8

In which Arab country is gay rights protected? King_David Apr 2015 #9

So your argument is that support for GLBT rights excuses apartheid? geek tragedy Apr 2015 #10

GBLT rights will never be in the constitution. King_David Apr 2015 #11

You're going to have to give them the right to vote. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #17

Is there a role model Arab country you can point to where this has occurred ? King_David Apr 2015 #24

That's your argument for apartheid? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #25

In other words, no answer. Smithryee Apr 2015 #30

Advocating apartheid with a Bernie Sanders avatar makes me thing you geek tragedy Apr 2015 #37

Except you DO not know what apartheid means. Smithryee Apr 2015 #39

So the Palestinians can arrest the IDF troops within geek tragedy Apr 2015 #41

What UTTER BULLSHIT! BillZBubb Apr 2015 #102

That's actually the definition of a military occupation oberliner Apr 2015 #103

Well, except that only SOME OF the people living there are under occupation Scootaloo Apr 2015 #117

A lot of people would disagree with that, King_David Apr 2015 #94

Ahh but it's not Apartheid King_David Apr 2015 #44

Why is it not apartheid--because you say so? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #47

Who are you to tell them that's the route they should be taking? Forget it ... King_David Apr 2015 #49

Well, if there can't be two states, there can be only one, and if they are ruled by a state geek tragedy Apr 2015 #52

One state where Hamas could be elected King_David Apr 2015 #60

What are you doing to make a two-state solution possible, then? nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #61

Who you think your talking down to like in that tone? King_David Apr 2015 #95

Your Grace seems very angry. bravenak Apr 2015 #101

You'll find that every liberal Zionist here supports 2 states living in peace... shira Apr 2015 #98

Some of us, including Mahmoud Abbas still wonder what that 2008 offer was. Little Tich Apr 2015 #123

And some people pretend not to know what Olmert's 2008 offer was.... shira Apr 2015 #124

Perhaps it's because the Geneva Iniative is using the same map as the one Little Tich Apr 2015 #127

What do you think about the Geneva Initiative for 2 states? n/t shira Apr 2015 #129

I think the Geneva iniative is an Israeli shopping list. Little Tich Apr 2015 #130

So Carter, Chomsky, Oz, and Nusseibeh are backing the wrong horse w/ Geneva? n/t shira Apr 2015 #131

Why would these people support the Geneva Iniative? Little Tich Apr 2015 #134

Sari Nusseibeh the lone Palestinian on the list gave up on a 2 state solution long ago azurnoir Apr 2015 #136

also the details of the 2008 offer azurnoir Apr 2015 #137

Maybe they know something you don't. n/t shira Apr 2015 #138

The eternal defense of bad ideas, it seems Scootaloo Apr 2015 #146

Carter, Chomsky, Nusseibeh, and Oz aren't Bush. Try again. n/t shira Apr 2015 #147

No, they aren't. The "secret knowledge" argument is still a shit argument Scootaloo Apr 2015 #148

It's not secret knowledge. Geneva is a good deal. n/t shira Apr 2015 #151

exactly right Mosby Apr 2015 #133

World hasn't moved on yet. The Israel haters won't allow that... shira Apr 2015 #139

crazy isn't it? Mosby Apr 2015 #141

Support for sharia as the official law of the land oberliner Apr 2015 #14

Secular state will have to be the compromise between Talmudic law and Sharia. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #16

Talmudic Law? Do you not know that Israel is secular? oberliner Apr 2015 #18

Where Israel's legal system is going is the relevant question nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #20

Israeli Jewish women need their ex-husbands permission to re-marry, it's called a get azurnoir Apr 2015 #58

Wrong. Smithryee Apr 2015 #68

I am right Rabbinical courts in Israel dictate domestic law for Jews who wish to remain Jews by law azurnoir Apr 2015 #71

Who follows the Rabbinical court? Smithryee Apr 2015 #72

Hint anyone who wants their children by a second marriage not to be considered mamzers azurnoir Apr 2015 #73

In my world... Smithryee Apr 2015 #75

Obviously someone doesn't think you know anything about being Jewish. shira Apr 2015 #80

No such thing as Talmudic law in secular Israel Smithryee Apr 2015 #32

Would these be the same reasonable people who cheerfully endorse the murder of Palestnian teenagers? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #23

No such people exist oberliner Apr 2015 #26

Well, I'm talking to one right now. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #28

So you encourage Palestinians to incite violence Smithryee Apr 2015 #33

You're just full of disjointed buzzwords, aren't you? Scootaloo Apr 2015 #55

What on earth are you talking about? oberliner Apr 2015 #35

Follow the links I posted, oberliner. it'll all become clear. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #54

There is no-one cheerfully justifying the murder of Palestinian teenagers in that thread oberliner Apr 2015 #59

That's what you do all through the thread, and are repeatedly called on it Scootaloo Apr 2015 #63

With all of my heart and soul I oppose the murder of Palestinian children oberliner Apr 2015 #87

I read your post and decided to consider... Scootaloo Apr 2015 #88

The strangest thing Scootaloo is you thinking you are more righteous than Oberliner which is pathetic King_David Apr 2015 #96

I don't think I am. I know I am. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #106

I never alerted King_David Apr 2015 #107

Save that the alert was word-for-word your post. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #108

TLDR King_David Apr 2015 #109

Yes, you alerted, Dave. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #110

I'll repeat the post was bigoted extremist right wing filth King_David Apr 2015 #111

And I'll repeat,too, you're telling fibs, and they're all you've got Scootaloo Apr 2015 #112

A bigoted Post was hidden and you can't go into the thread . King_David Apr 2015 #113

Why'd you bring it here, then? Oh well. have a lovely day, Dave n/t Scootaloo Apr 2015 #115

Where does Oberliner say what you claim? You making it up? n/t shira Apr 2015 #45

Follow the subthread, Shira Scootaloo Apr 2015 #56

There is no endorsement & certainly no cheerful endorsement in that thread shira Apr 2015 #81

Hilarious post. You say Israel is a binational state, will become theocratic... shira Apr 2015 #12

a palestinian state can only be realized through negotiations Mosby Apr 2015 #13

Yeah, the occupation is legal except for all of the blatantly illegal stuff (walls, land seizures, geek tragedy Apr 2015 #15

None of those things exist in Gaza oberliner Apr 2015 #19

well, no, Gaza is an open air prison. nt geek tragedy Apr 2015 #21

Gaza borders both Israel and Egypt oberliner Apr 2015 #31

Israel, Hamas and Egypt all have their share of the blame. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #38

"And gunned down American citizens.." oberliner Apr 2015 #40

1. The American's name was Furkan Dogan. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #51

So it was one American citizen oberliner Apr 2015 #53

The goal was to pacify the Palestinians. geek tragedy Apr 2015 #57

Got proof of that? Linky? Smithryee Apr 2015 #34

Six, actually Scootaloo Apr 2015 #50

The security fence is legal Mosby Apr 2015 #77

The US-mexico fence follows an international border. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #150

No part of 242 calls for negotiations Scootaloo Apr 2015 #27

Israel accepted all of the resolutions Smithryee Apr 2015 #36

I beleive you're terribly confused. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #42

You have clearly not read the resolution lately oberliner Apr 2015 #43

I have, Oberliner Scootaloo Apr 2015 #64

+1.Their pro-settlement line gets tiresome. The polls indicate quite clearly the majority of Israeli Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #65

*BZZT* Smithryee Apr 2015 #46

242 calls for secure and recognized borders. They can't be secure or recognized.... shira Apr 2015 #48

Your argument hinges on the notion that Israel was a borderless entity Scootaloo Apr 2015 #62

The 1947 Partition plan isn't International Law anymore... shira Apr 2015 #79

No, it wasn't binding. Nor did I say it was Scootaloo Apr 2015 #84

Show me where Israel declared its borders in 1948. shira Apr 2015 #89

The links and quotes are in Post #62 Scootaloo Apr 2015 #90

So you believe UNSCR 242 actually calls for Israel to unilaterally make moves... shira Apr 2015 #91

It calls for a withdrawal from occupied territory Scootaloo Apr 2015 #118

There has to be a condition, otherwise 242 calls for a do-over of 1967 shira Apr 2015 #126

There is no conditionality in the resolution Scootaloo Apr 2015 #149

There is, and Khartoum's 3 No's in 1967 were a direct response to 242. shira Apr 2015 #152

The whole phrasing is thus Scootaloo Apr 2015 #153

Israel did NOT have recognized borders. Khartoum stated that loud and clear. shira Apr 2015 #154

Now I see the links. Let's assume you're 100% correct.... shira Apr 2015 #92

I don't tell them they are wrong. Scootaloo Apr 2015 #121

"why negotiate peace, when you're "stealing"... R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2015 #122

It's not just land swap concessions by Palestinians that are the problem... shira Apr 2015 #125

338 talks about negotiations and references 242 as the foundation Mosby Apr 2015 #78

Sorry 242 calls for negotiations Dick Dastardly Apr 2015 #85

"242 calls for negotiations" Scootaloo Apr 2015 #86

Sounds like a perfectly democratic decision process to me. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #66

Oh my goodness, that's putting it mildly. Generally you'll see full Likud support, and then what I Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #67

I was trying to be reasonable. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #69

Israel is at times a US client state..dysfunctional relationship to say the least. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #70

and the truly sad thing is that the long term outlook for Israel is not good. guillaumeb Apr 2015 #74

For Israel to be viewed a liability is possible, but one would need to see the approach Jefferson23 Apr 2015 #76

Is this the same facts you using as when you tell us Israel killed 2 Million Palestinians ? King_David Apr 2015 #82

i am w bibi on this and im muslim rafeh1 Apr 2015 #155

One Jewish state? n/t shira Apr 2015 #156

if you have equal rights rafeh1 Apr 2015 #157

Bibi wants a Jewish state. You said you're with Bibi. shira Apr 2015 #159

palestianian voted in israeli elections rafeh1 Apr 2015 #160

The vast majority of Palestinians, whether in Israel or outside of Israel.... shira Apr 2015 #161

what survey do u go by rafeh1 Apr 2015 #162

Here are 2 surveys. It's between 10-12% of Palestinians in favor of a secular state.... shira Apr 2015 #163