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In reply to the discussion: Obama’s role model to journalists — Dorothy Thompson — turned against Zionism and was silenced [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)128. Right, you just don't understand them. Don't know if it's deliberate or not...
"100 years ago, when people mentioned Palestinians they were talking about Jews."
100 years ago it appears people were misinformed as to the population of the area of Palestine.
All I meant, as I have repeatedly told you, is that Palestinian nationalism didn't exist until the 1960's. Before then, like 100 years ago, they were certainly there - and were the majority - but they didn't see themselves as Palestinians.
No one did. Their nationalist movement hadn't yet begun.
As evidence there are 2 UN resolutions (UNGAR 194) and (UNSCR 242) that make no mention whatsoever of Palestinians.
And then are Palestinian leaders who admit the obvious...
Zuheir Mohsen: Leader of the pro-Syria as-Sa'iqa faction of the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) between 1971 and 1979. Between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese there are no differences. We are all part of ONE people, the Arab nation. Look, I have family members with Palestinian, Lebanese, Jordanian and Syrian citizenship. We are ONE people. Just for political reasons we carefully underwrite our Palestinian identity. Because it is of national interest for the Arabs to advocate the existence of Palestinians to balance Zionism. Yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity exists only for tactical reasons. The establishment of a Palestinian state is a new tool to continue the fight against Israel and for Arab unity.
A separate Palestinian entity needs to fight for the national interest in the then remaining occupied territories. The Jordanian government cannot speak for Palestinians in Israel, Lebanon or Syria. Jordan is a state with specific borders. It cannot lay claim on - for instance - Haifa or Jaffa, while I AM entitled to Haifa, Jaffa, Jerusalem and Beersheba. Jordan can only speak for Jordanians and the Palestinians in Jordan. The Palestinian state would be entitled to represent all Palestinians in the Arab world en elsewhere. Once we have accomplished all of our rights in all of Palestine, we shouldn't postpone the unification of Jordan and Palestine for one second.
A separate Palestinian entity needs to fight for the national interest in the then remaining occupied territories. The Jordanian government cannot speak for Palestinians in Israel, Lebanon or Syria. Jordan is a state with specific borders. It cannot lay claim on - for instance - Haifa or Jaffa, while I AM entitled to Haifa, Jaffa, Jerusalem and Beersheba. Jordan can only speak for Jordanians and the Palestinians in Jordan. The Palestinian state would be entitled to represent all Palestinians in the Arab world en elsewhere. Once we have accomplished all of our rights in all of Palestine, we shouldn't postpone the unification of Jordan and Palestine for one second.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zuheir_Mohsen
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Obama’s role model to journalists — Dorothy Thompson — turned against Zionism and was silenced [View all]
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
OP
When you're ready to justify or prove that you're correct, I'm sure you'll let me know.
shira
Apr 2015
#78
Try reading this very, very slowly. If necessary read it a few more times.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#75
Please stop lying about what I have written, shira. It makes you appear as you really are.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#90
I have no denials that you are completely disingenuous when it comes to the factual.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#96
So why not answer the question with either a Yes or No? What do u fear by doing so? n/t
shira
Apr 2015
#103
cite the international law that says WB settlements are legal because it's the Jewish homeland
azurnoir
Apr 2015
#65
go tell Obama in 1920 the British promised land that wasn't theirs sorry the partition plan
azurnoir
Apr 2015
#67
In 2011, the USA vetoed a UN resolution that would declare settlements as illegal
shira
Apr 2015
#69
Name one who has promoted San Remo for your purposes, Kerry called them illegitmate
azurnoir
Apr 2015
#70
So why post on a Democratic Forum if you think so little about every elected Democrat? n/t
shira
Apr 2015
#88
Shira is prolly too busy cutting fabrications from whole cloth as to have time to reply to you.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#95
Dorothy Thompson was adamantly anti-Nazi she was one of the earliest critics of the Nazi party
azurnoir
Apr 2015
#6
No, I think you should. She bashed Jews (not Israeli Jews) in the previous quote provided....
shira
Apr 2015
#15
so you accuse the Democratic POTUS of endorsing an antisemite? -well okay them
azurnoir
Apr 2015
#18
What you mean is for me to please stop pointing out falsehoods in your arguments...
shira
Apr 2015
#91
"If Jews weren't slaughtered and expelled from Israel over the past 2000 years, they'd have been...
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#115
Huh? The Palestinians could've agreed to the 1937 Peel Plan or 1947 Partition Plan.
shira
Apr 2015
#45
Logic escapes the colonist mind, shira; especially when refering to the colonized.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#97
Who cares what she thought about Israel/Zionism? She said some very hateful things....
shira
Apr 2015
#44
I don't believe that I would ever quote you on anything, my unremarkable friend, but if it makes
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#111
I think you could benefit from a Logic 101 course. No, I mean really,really benefit....
shira
May 2015
#127
When you choose the quote you choose the person behind it as well: part and parcel.*
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#93
Well, shira, if you are going to try and defend Bush II on things that's your business...
R. Daneel Olivaw
Apr 2015
#99