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Igel

(35,359 posts)
45. Cordoba is home to the Great Mosque.
Sat Oct 24, 2015, 06:27 PM
Oct 2015

The Hagia Sophia was an Orthodox Church. Currently Xians aren't allowed to pray there--the Turks are afraid that if this happens (like they could stop it) it'll somehow revert to what it was or there'll be a claim that might be pursued.

This is the same as with the Hagia Sophia. The same fear, the same sense of insecurity at humiliation, the same intolerance.

People aren't being killed because some Jews want to pray. People are being killed because of a symbol, because of a sense of violated superiority and humiliation.


Note that there's been a Muslim campaign to allow Muslims to pray there quietly. That's banned, last I heard. Last time that came up on DU--it's been years--the general view seemed to strongly tilt towards thinking this was intolerant and silent prayers can neither be stopped nor should be banned.

Then again, there's often an opinion that there are two standards--one for those we think are oppressed and another for those that are like us, the oppressors.

religious intolerance wins the day, horray! Mosby Oct 2015 #1
No, hardline Israeli and Palestinian fanatics and geek tragedy Oct 2015 #4
Just let everybody pray there oberliner Oct 2015 #13
It's a mosque. The entire top of the plateau is. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #14
No it's not oberliner Oct 2015 #15
The entire area is a mosque complex. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #16
No it's not oberliner Oct 2015 #19
1900 years ago there was a Jewish temple there. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #31
God help me, I am going to quote Wikipedia oberliner Oct 2015 #37
Israel has already (illegally) annexed all of Jerusalem geek tragedy Oct 2015 #41
Intolerance and fundamentalism haz a sad. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #21
Thank goodness Jews will be banned from quietly praying! oberliner Oct 2015 #2
Israel is being held to its solemn promises. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #5
But doesn't the whole thing seem a bit silly? oberliner Oct 2015 #8
Sure, but then so are Islam and Judaism and geek tragedy Oct 2015 #10
Yes indeed oberliner Oct 2015 #12
But seemingly you are defending it. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #22
Do you know what religious orthodox Jewish people actually believe? oberliner Oct 2015 #23
Thanks for defending religious fundamentalism again R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #26
Let everybody practice their religious beliefs as long as they are peaceful about it oberliner Oct 2015 #27
I believe that you, and others, have ulterior motives R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #29
I don't insist on letting Orthodox Jews pray there oberliner Oct 2015 #32
When one side has shown that their idea of sharing is to take geek tragedy Oct 2015 #35
Israel has turned over the protection of Islamic holy sites to the Islamic waqf oberliner Oct 2015 #38
Turned over? geek tragedy Oct 2015 #42
because its basically a free speech issue Mosby Oct 2015 #25
Again, I doubt your motives, and IMHO R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #30
Spare us the transparent talking points. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #33
the temple mount is 32 acres Mosby Oct 2015 #36
Because "free speech" appears to be something geek tragedy Oct 2015 #39
Free speech is often used by unsavory characters for nefarious reasons. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #60
You really struggle, don't you Oberliner? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #6
I do oberliner Oct 2015 #9
Does it? Scootaloo Oct 2015 #18
Yes oberliner Oct 2015 #20
....... azurnoir Oct 2015 #7
Exactly oberliner Oct 2015 #11
Would you like some dip to go with that monumental chip on your shoulder? R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #65
Wow! hedda_foil Oct 2015 #3
seems like a win-win solution 6chars Oct 2015 #17
A step in the right direction! R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #24
Oh for sure ..... Israeli Oct 2015 #59
How about no one prays there? RandySF Oct 2015 #28
It's a mosque complex and has been that way geek tragedy Oct 2015 #34
Good. This place belongs to Islam. mwrguy Oct 2015 #40
Bullshit leftynyc Oct 2015 #43
"This place belongs to Islam" oberliner Oct 2015 #44
I care leftynyc Oct 2015 #46
I care, too. I care so much that sometimes I get physically ill reading some of these posts. grossproffit Oct 2015 #49
I'm in Israel right now leftynyc Oct 2015 #52
Its only 6am here .... Israeli Oct 2015 #53
Those caffeine filled coffee leftynyc Oct 2015 #54
where are you ? Israeli Oct 2015 #55
I'm in Tel Aviv leftynyc Oct 2015 #56
Whoa - you werent leftynyc Oct 2015 #66
Issue with Petra leftynyc Oct 2015 #68
Oops sorry .... Israeli Oct 2015 #74
We're here in Petra leftynyc Oct 2015 #76
How exciting. I hope you're having a wonderful time. grossproffit Oct 2015 #57
I am leftynyc Oct 2015 #58
Cordoba is home to the Great Mosque. Igel Oct 2015 #45
Because a prophet had a dream about the site of the Jewish temple? 6chars Oct 2015 #47
It belongs to ALL. grossproffit Oct 2015 #48
Just so people knowa sabbat hunter Oct 2015 #50
Your claims about prayer under the Ottoman Empire is flat out false according to your own link. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #51
the last paragraph sabbat hunter Oct 2015 #61
they weren't allowed to do so but they did geek tragedy Oct 2015 #62
I will show you the line again sabbat hunter Oct 2015 #63
Visiting and praying are two different things. geek tragedy Oct 2015 #64
Palestinian Leaders hate the 24-7 surveilance cameras shira Oct 2015 #67
the mufti of J'lem Mosby Oct 2015 #69
He andNetanyahu should be dance partners. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #70
Can't condemn that, can you? Just deflecting towards Israel. shira Oct 2015 #71
Whatever that word salad means... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #72
do you argee with the mufti or not? Mosby Oct 2015 #73
I agree R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2015 #75
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