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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
128. not full physical RoR for everybody descended from the 1948 exiles...which wouldn't work
Wed Jul 11, 2012, 08:23 PM
Jul 2012

I'm for physical RoR for the elderly who were kicked out in 1948...few, if any of whom were driven by hatred of Jews...

for the descendants, I favor compensation with APOLOGIES and ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF WRONGDOING.

The way to get post-1948 refugees to move on is to admit that they were victims and to apologize for the wrong. This is what decent human beings everywhere would naturally do, and it would set a great example for the other refugee situations in the world. Acknowledgment matters and helps to get people to change.

Saying "your side lost and that's all that matters" is not ever going to be an acceptable or workable position.

My position would not threaten Israeli security in the slightest. Everybody who lives in Israel now would be just fine.

So no, I don't favor your nightmare scenario.

(as, of course, you knew perfectly well already).

At the same time, I'd also ask(as I've already done)for the refugee camps in other Arab countries to be closed and for those people to be allowed to resettle somewhere...while acknowledging, as should be acknowledged, that Palestinian identity IS real and that Palestinians were never "generic Arabs" and were never part of CAMERA/FLAME's mythical "unrelenting Arab campaign".

So, I've taken a moderate, workable, and responsible position on this issue that harms no one.

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What was the result of the HIV test ? nt King_David Jul 2012 #1
Was he ever tested? Mosby Jul 2012 #3
Arafat's doctor: There was HIV in his blood, but poison killed him King_David Jul 2012 #13
The claim that Arafat had AIDS Ken Burch Jul 2012 #110
If it was Israeli propaganda, why did Arafat's personal doctor say he had AIDS? shira Jul 2012 #112
What's truly remarkable King_David Jul 2012 #122
AIDS, in and of itself, doesn't always relate to sex Ken Burch Jul 2012 #124
Oh please, cut the shit about Israel supporters being hypocritical about LGBT and AIDS... shira Jul 2012 #134
well it seems the PA has given permission to exhume Arafat's body so we will be finding out azurnoir Jul 2012 #135
Well I'll be. You think they'll decide to go public with the French death certificate now? shira Jul 2012 #141
apparently you believe that AIDs is soley a sexually transmitted disease azurnoir Jul 2012 #136
where did you get that? you made it up, right? shira Jul 2012 #142
Nobody said "the Jews"...nobody but YOU sees the Israeli government as "the Jews" Ken Burch Jul 2012 #137
That's how it's reported throughout the mideast. Face facts... shira Jul 2012 #143
DU ISN'T the Middle East. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #144
Western reports tell you it's only Israelis. Those in the mideast all blame the Jews... shira Jul 2012 #146
If Arabs were truly never ever driven by anything in this but hatred of Jews Ken Burch Jul 2012 #147
Jews lived under apartheid conditions before WW2 throughout the mideast... shira Jul 2012 #148
And I don't blame you for wanting nothing to do with Lithuania. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #149
Arafat did not die of AIDS. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #102
I do not answer your posts. nt King_David Jul 2012 #107
You do realize that posting in response to my post Ken Burch Jul 2012 #108
Just for those who don't know what he means by "QJ" King_David Jul 2012 #114
No it does not not stand for that as IMO you should be well aware it stands for azurnoir Jul 2012 #115
I have no idea about that,but Ken Burch King_David Jul 2012 #116
ah I see you seem to be accusing Ken of being a "redneck racist skinhead" azurnoir Jul 2012 #117
No idea who you talking about , King_David Jul 2012 #118
Really because I cut and pasted that quote from your previous comment azurnoir Jul 2012 #119
Sorry still no clue King_David Jul 2012 #120
It seems that you do have a problem 'understanding' those who disagree with you azurnoir Jul 2012 #121
NO, I didn't mean anything remotely like that. You'd have "alerted" if you really believed that. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #123
Bullshit King_David Jul 2012 #125
I'm no bigot...I simply disagree with you on the I/P issue. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #126
Ken, are you for RoR? n/t shira Jul 2012 #127
not full physical RoR for everybody descended from the 1948 exiles...which wouldn't work Ken Burch Jul 2012 #128
The Palestinians would consider your version of RoR an insult.... shira Jul 2012 #131
I'm not sure about that Ken Burch Jul 2012 #132
You know the Palestinians wouldn't accept your version of RoR, but that doesn't bother you. shira Jul 2012 #133
I DON'T know that at all Ken Burch Jul 2012 #138
Sure you do, b/c there's no evidence you'll ever find showing they'd accept that. If you had... shira Jul 2012 #139
The settlements can't be part of a reasonable 2 state solution Ken Burch Jul 2012 #140
You're drinking the piss. Tell that to Chomsky and Carter.... shira Jul 2012 #145
It's not simply Jewish issues King_David Jul 2012 #129
No, I don't Ken Burch Jul 2012 #130
If Arafat had died of AIDS Ken Burch Jul 2012 #109
You should update the other thread Mosby Jul 2012 #2
If those were the levels... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #4
What do you make of all of this? oberliner Jul 2012 #5
Perhaps so... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #6
It will be interesting to see who prevents his body from being exhumed oberliner Jul 2012 #7
I think it smells a bit. bemildred Jul 2012 #10
I think they want to blame the Israelis, but the people closest to him that were giving him shit MADem Jul 2012 #27
Just to give a perspective on the quantities eyl Jul 2012 #8
about a fifth of a millionth shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #9
This whole thing is beginning to look like a PR stunt. Archae Jul 2012 #11
More likely AIDS King_David Jul 2012 #12
You do realize how stupid this doctor sounds, don't you? Archae Jul 2012 #14
Pro-Israel people having been pushing the AIDS angle for a long time... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #15
Similarly, anti-Israel people having been playing down the AIDS angle for a long time... oberliner Jul 2012 #16
Au contraire shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #38
Completely disagree oberliner Jul 2012 #43
PA: Arafat died of AIDS shira Jul 2012 #18
Lol what took so long dear? azurnoir Jul 2012 #20
Arafat's personal doctor : "Arafat died of AIDS" shira Jul 2012 #21
Interesting indeed and translated from Arabic? to Hebrew to English too n/t azurnoir Jul 2012 #24
Of course, another translation error/lie. Nasty 'zionists'. n/t shira Jul 2012 #34
well if you say so n/t azurnoir Jul 2012 #37
Well, no amount of video evidence or proof is ever enough for some - right? n/t shira Jul 2012 #40
actually the EI article covers the al Kurdi interview too, you really should read it n/t azurnoir Jul 2012 #44
curious isn't it? azurnoir Jul 2012 #19
Richard Silverstein 2004: Believed Arafat died of AIDS shira Jul 2012 #22
2 things you did not answer my question and you 'missed' Silverstein's update azurnoir Jul 2012 #23
I can believe cirrhosis, I've seen it. nt bemildred Jul 2012 #41
The only homophobic thing going on... King_David Jul 2012 #26
still does not answer the question though azurnoir Jul 2012 #28
I do not understand at all what your post means King_David Jul 2012 #29
well then go back and reread comment 19 azurnoir Jul 2012 #31
Its interesting that you think he was gay, therefore he died of AIDS... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #39
Sigh King_David Jul 2012 #59
I think its disgraceful that you are an apologist for homophobia when it suits you... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #70
TLDR King_David Jul 2012 #71
That is probably the most inept attempt at deflection I have ever seen shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #74
You have not had enough posts deleted on this topic? King_David Jul 2012 #76
Yes David, you're a homophobe. I'm antisemitic. So sez the anti-Israel contingent. For realz... shira Jul 2012 #78
Piss poor job at character assassination tho. nt King_David Jul 2012 #80
Yeah, to deflect from the fact they've got nothing otherwise. n/t shira Jul 2012 #81
Piss poor job at deflection, more like nt shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #83
Go ahead and alert on me then... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #79
I prefer to let your post stand, King_David Jul 2012 #82
Yes, my wife does not support gay marriage shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #84
KK good luck , unlike you I feel no need to delete my post. King_David Jul 2012 #85
No worries. By the way, Arafat didn't die of AIDS... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #89
Thanks for that conclusive proof. King_David Jul 2012 #90
You don't accept HIV test results? shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author King_David Jul 2012 #99
Why are you so obsessed with bringing Arafat's sex life into this? Ken Burch Jul 2012 #106
'Gay loving country' ? King_David Jul 2012 #63
Does Israel advertise it self as the most Gay friendly country in the 'region'? azurnoir Jul 2012 #64
Did not think you would 'get it '. nt King_David Jul 2012 #66
did not think you would answer the question azurnoir Jul 2012 #67
Ha ha , they call him being a Gay as ... 'LIES' King_David Jul 2012 #25
What else to expect of the rightwing anti-Israel crowd? Of course they're insulted. n/t shira Jul 2012 #30
would you say it is insulting to refer to Gays as sexual deviants ? azurnoir Jul 2012 #33
Maybe what's deviant is the mention of hyena sounds and lion roars. You should ask the author. shira Jul 2012 #42
well that's setting the bar pretty low, wouldn't you say? azurnoir Jul 2012 #45
Or what is "deviant" is that he alledgedly raped a woman for expressing sorrow for dead Jews. Behind the Aegis Jul 2012 #47
actually here is the quote from Times of Israel it was quite correct azurnoir Jul 2012 #50
Actually, it is not. Behind the Aegis Jul 2012 #51
you stated that EI quoted Times of Israel wrongly, I just showed it did not azurnoir Jul 2012 #53
It did not quote it correctly. It made an implication in the quote, weasel words. Behind the Aegis Jul 2012 #54
why 'given the topic' are you infering that I am homophobic? azurnoir Jul 2012 #55
I agree with everything BTA (senior host in LGBT group) has said, King_David Jul 2012 #60
so you are saying what exactly? azurnoir Jul 2012 #61
Huh? King_David Jul 2012 #62
yes you did but I asked asked BtA a question that he has not answered azurnoir Jul 2012 #65
If they're willing to shit all over liberal values in order to defend Israel... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #77
EI seemed to be blasting the Times of Israel article that referred to Arafat as a sexual deviant azurnoir Jul 2012 #32
Probably he was a Sexual Deviant, King_David Jul 2012 #35
quote "Probably has more to do with what he was alleged to have done with his bodyguards." azurnoir Jul 2012 #36
You are confused and need further education before proceeding with such discussion, King_David Jul 2012 #46
well I think I have that much down, but it seems you have a problem with confusion here azurnoir Jul 2012 #48
Because it made no sense King_David Jul 2012 #49
so according to you I need to research to know whether bestiality is a deviant behavior? azurnoir Jul 2012 #52
David, I think we talked about this, a while back... Scootaloo Jul 2012 #57
Nah , I Do not think it is I King_David Jul 2012 #58
I rest my case Scootaloo Jul 2012 #68
Your case is severely flawed oberliner Jul 2012 #69
'Your case is severely flawed' King_David Jul 2012 #73
I think that it is fairly clear that Ben-David was linking deviance and gay sex... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #75
Its the exhibitionist part of Oberliner's post ,you forgot to adress in your reply, King_David Jul 2012 #88
"Gayness" is not how I artfully put it oberliner Jul 2012 #97
Fair enough, on one part; Scootaloo Jul 2012 #91
One can never know oberliner Jul 2012 #98
sigh King_David Jul 2012 #72
It's an especially disgusting tactic considering how apologists for Israel Ken Burch Jul 2012 #104
More like rationalizing or excusing or anticipating King_David Jul 2012 #17
We'd have heard of a positive test if there'd been one. Ken Burch Jul 2012 #111
You did hear of it. From Arafat's personal doctor.... shira Jul 2012 #113
Pretty much my thoughts Scootaloo Jul 2012 #56
There has already been an extensive discussion on this TomClash Jul 2012 #86
I see all the usual suspects are here TomClash Jul 2012 #87
jesus.. choie Jul 2012 #92
Its how we roll... shaayecanaan Jul 2012 #93
Believe it or not TomClash Jul 2012 #95
Did you mean to link to something else? oberliner Jul 2012 #96
Nope eyl Jul 2012 #100
I think your math is wrong TomClash Jul 2012 #101
No it isn't eyl Jul 2012 #150
Your equation is wrong TomClash Jul 2012 #151
You're doing it incorrectly eyl Jul 2012 #152
Either Institut de Radiophysique or you must be wrong TomClash Jul 2012 #153
188,000 Bq divided by eyl Jul 2012 #154
Not so TomClash Jul 2012 #155
This is not my argument but . . Bradlad Jul 2012 #156
No, that's exactly right eyl Jul 2012 #157
OK...so you would have no objection to exhuming Arafat's body Ken Burch Jul 2012 #103
No objection from me oberliner Jul 2012 #105
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