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shira

(30,109 posts)
Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:04 PM Jul 2012

Turn this vile claim on its head [View all]

As one who advocates formally and informally for Israel, I have heard the full gamut of misconceptions and slanders that are aired by those opposed to the Jewish state. Over time, my skin has thickened; people can throw whatever baloney they want my way.

Except… there is still one anti-Israel argument that makes my jaw drop. And it is one that is made with unfortunate frequency. It is the "they-of-all-people" argument: the suggestion that the Jews, having faced extraordinary persecution, should know better than anyone not to be oppressors.

Put aside for a moment that the "oppression" which proponents of this argument are accusing Israel of committing is usually imaginary. When directed by gentiles towards Jews, the "they-of-all-people" argument is in its very essence so fundamentally ill-judged and unjust, and voiced with such a breathtaking lack of self-awareness, that my spirit flags when I hear it.

Where to begin in response? The heroic Howard Jacobson made a fine start when he proposed that "they of all people" is the natural successor of Holocaust denial. He wrote that the argument leaves the Jewish people doubly damned: to the Holocaust itself and to elevated moral scrutiny as a result of it.

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So when criticizing countries of abusing those whose land they are occupying, pennylane100 Jul 2012 #1
So "critics" should stop blaming the Jews for turning the holocaust around on the Palestinians. shira Jul 2012 #4
I cannot begin to understand, if it exists, your logic. pennylane100 Jul 2012 #8
You should read the OP. "They of all people" is linked to holocaust denial... shira Jul 2012 #9
My comments were in reply to your post to me pennylane100 Jul 2012 #18
There's a difference b/w criticism and demonization. Part of that demonization... shira Jul 2012 #22
It doesn't but that is the whole point LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #15
I must disagree with you. pennylane100 Jul 2012 #19
You should spend more time here. Bradlad Jul 2012 #20
Lazy meaning what?....... kayecy Jul 2012 #2
Lazy condemnations, meaning read the next paragraph about al-Dura, the Marmara, Goldstone, etc. n/t shira Jul 2012 #5
Chas Newkey-Burden is an interesting character azurnoir Jul 2012 #3
In my opinion, NLP is a form of quack-psychotherapy that only works by a placebo effect LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #13
I very much agree with his observations oberliner Jul 2012 #6
I hate the "Jews should know better" argument - David Hirsh shira Jul 2012 #7
so should expect you will not be replacing Israeli with Jews anymore? azurnoir Jul 2012 #11
It doesn't appear you understand what the article is about. shira Jul 2012 #23
yes I know that but I was asking specifically about using Jews instead of Israeli or Israel azurnoir Jul 2012 #24
Conflating Jews and Israelis. LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #12
your right IMO but what about the Pro-Israel posters here azurnoir Jul 2012 #14
I think it is more like people who equate all Muslims, and e.g. blame British Muslims for the acts LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #16
That's an interesting take thank you n/t azurnoir Jul 2012 #17
Also, Bradlad Jul 2012 #21
I agree on this point LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #10
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