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Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: Israel’s Settlers Are Here to Stay (NY Times op-ed) [View all]kayecy
(1,417 posts)147. You are not claiming '67 was a "defensive war"........
a blockade is an act of war...egypt already started the war.
A blockade is not the start of a war......Wars start when battle commences......Israel started the war with a surprise attack for its own reasons.
The UN Charter did not give Israel the right to attack Egypt because the Tiran closure was not an armed attack as defined by Article 51.....Moreover, many International Law experts argue that under the doctrine of proportionality, Israel would only be entitled to use such force as would be necessary to secure its right of passage.
No doubt you will dismiss the above as being legal trivialities.....If Israel says the closure was a casus belli then it it must be so.......Israel has a record of making such unilateral claims and ignoring International Law.
In any case what exactly do you mean by blockade.....Was all shipping up the gulf to be sunk?......Was the transit of all material to be prevented?.......You had better read your history books again before claiming that Egypt started the war.
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i am not claiming a "defensive war" (never have)..its has no meaning in that its open to many interpretations.
It would have saved much time and trouble if you stated that at the start of this discussion instead of asking me why I thought the 6-day war was not defensive.
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israel was threatened by words and deeds initiated by egypt, israel had the right to remove egypt if that was necessary, call it what you want
Iran has been threatened by words and deeds initiated by Israel.....Does that mean Iran has the right to remove Israel if that is necessary?
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So, Americans are now supposed to fight another couple wars to keep this guy in place?
leveymg
Jul 2012
#1
Israel's presence in the West Bank is the very definition of a colonial enterprise.
bemildred
Jul 2012
#15
i answer when were talking about the samething....Palestenian power to make changes.
pelsar
Jul 2012
#101
Kayecy: As a "last resort" Israel forced Palestinians to become suicide bombers....
shira
Jul 2012
#50
The Palestinians have the power to stop that. Settlers would've ended 12 years ago...
shira
Jul 2012
#39
It is perfectly clear to anyone with a brain that they do not have the power to stop that.
bemildred
Jul 2012
#52
Jews have lived in Greece and Turkey for longer than they've lived in Israel...
shaayecanaan
Jul 2012
#44
The difference between Palestinians in the West Bank and Palestinians in Jerusalem and Israel Proper
Ken Burch
Jul 2012
#46
Yeah, it was. Closing off the Straits of Tiran alone was an act of war vs. Israel...
shira
Jul 2012
#37
It is a subject of great and vituperative dispute, which is why I now avoid arguing about it.
bemildred
Jul 2012
#59
Egypt did in 1973. Had Israel pre-empted at the last minute, you'd blame Israel....
shira
Jul 2012
#77
Again, had Israel pre-empted Egypt in 1973 at the very last minute you would say...
shira
Jul 2012
#81
This is why you guys can't expect to be taken seriously. Egypt attacked Israel in 1973...
shira
Jul 2012
#78
Kayecy: Why did Rabin have a nervous breakdown in the days leading up to the '67 war?
shira
Aug 2012
#121
it would be best if you stop making things up and concentrate on the subject...
pelsar
Aug 2012
#133
Actually, there were 5 causes of war & Israel tried handling it diplomatically first...
shira
Aug 2012
#148
according to this poll more Israeli's are ready to have it that way too-forever
azurnoir
Jul 2012
#86