Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: Israel’s Settlers Are Here to Stay (NY Times op-ed) [View all]pelsar
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...questions hardly scare me....i live in a world where an internet forum is mainly to fix wrong information, hardly something to "scare me" or a place where i might get caught in a contradiction.... However its is interesting that you believe that a forum can be such a "scary place" that I can't answer questions.
you need to get out more...clearly your virtual world has screwed up your values of how real people act in real life situations under pressure: go join the peace corp, sneak into gaza and teach democratic values (ok a bit dangerous, but living up to your values and doing something is a good thing), join the syrian rebels, help the sudanees...but get outside and risk your life for you values....if you come back, your view on life will be very different, i promise u. and then you'll understand what real fear is, how people including yourself actually act and this place will suddenly seem like childs play...
as far as you answering many questions..... definitely, your broad strokes, false parallels, "proofs" using limited sources that someone else decided upon, demands many questions to show just how ideologically driven your view point is, as opposed to be driven by actual events and consequences.
anyways since your pretty insistent and took the time to write out possible answers:
i dont write nonsense......unless i put one of those cute little icons next to it, as far removing egypt...when country A threatens to remove Country b from the map, then country A deserves the same response (egypt)
1) given that israel has not threatened to remove iran, just blow up the nuclear facilities whereas iran has threatened in many various words to in fact remove israel/zionist regime etc it means there is no parallel in the threats and counter threats. You seem to confuse this kind of thing a lot.
2) What deeds has israel done to iran, that has in fact started the war? (spare me what somebody has said somewhere.....). Just what exactly has israel done?
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now i shall explain to you why your use of quotes proves nothing and is only for amusement during any discussion:
1) who decided which quotes to use? The author of the book who, when doing the research comes across some notes for some meeting and that author decides what quotes are the most appropriate for this book or article. That means someone else did the interpretation of a complete discussion and decided to summarize as per their ideology/beliefs/point of few, etc. Your just being the "useful idiote" when you quote what somebody else decided what you should use.
furthermore what happens when we find someone saying the exact opposite, which is what happens during political and military meetings. And when the opposite quote comes out, there is no way of knowing who infact had more information and who was right. You give this belief that the IDF wasnt worried about the losing the 6 day way, yet in fact all you have is a few quotes and the result of the war.....hardly proof of anything that was going through the minds of the IDF/politicians and people previous to the war.
You keep quoting some mysterious guy in israel military intelligence, only because this guy agrees with you. Again its self serving. Military intelligence is as wrong as it is right. The examples are so numerous that only a fool would use MI as proof of anything before an event happpens. After the fact then we know who was right and who was wrong, but never before, hence one cannot use MI as proof of absolute knowledge before the events take place.
So what are you left with when your quotes are questioned as are your use of MI?..your left with the rant of a 5 year old: my quotes and MI are better than yours.
thats not anything that can be taken as a serious argument. The only thing that infact has any substance are the actions taken, for only they provide the conclusion of the meetings that have taken place, both secret and public, but nothing of the fears, the risks that were believed and the other various scenarios that were discussed...this is what you cannot know, hence its best not to imagine you actually know what was discussed.
you make ridiculous statements of nassars or the IDF "emotional state" Nassar "feared" an attack, the idf wasn't "losing sleep". Christ, you actually believe you can define their emotional states? Sorry that goes to complete lack of credibility on your part. What kind of argument is that?
all those kind of statements from you, quoting people, anonymous Military Intelligence sources, defining the emotional states of the people involved require many questions until it clarified that that they prove nothing other than you looking to back up your own ideology. Perhaps in your virtual world no one dares question your quotes or summaries....
but then they dont know as much as i do, nor have my experience...and experience in the field beats the virtual world every time, since we can tell the difference between the two-what is real and what is fantasy
dont be such a "woos" and get some