Israel/Palestine
In reply to the discussion: Jimmy Carter Calls Corrie Case Ruling ‘Unacceptable’ [View all]Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)There's no difference between killing a member of the IDF in self-defense(I'll assume you'll admit that Palestinians do act at least sometimes in true self-defense) and killing a soldier in any OTHER army in self-defense. It isn't automatically bigotry simply to kill a soldier who is attacking you or your homeland simply because that soldier simply happens to be Jewish. The soldier isn't being killed in that instance, in the case of self-defense, is not being attacked or fought back against because he or she is Jewish. He or she is being attacked, at that moment, for the same reason anyone on one army would attack anyone in whatever army she or he was fighting against...because a war was going on and because these things happen in a war.
Please stop using the term "killing Jews" in the way that you do. It's demagogic and inflammatory. Killing an IDF soldier in self-defense is not the same thing as Hitler intentionally killing Jews because they were Jews. It shouldn't happen, there shouldn't BE wars, no soldier should die in wars...but it isn't automatically different simply because the soldier in question happened to identify as Jewish. Please stop the hysteria. You are being offensive and you are mocking the memory of the actual victims of historical antisemitism when you use that particular phrase. Everyone who posts on this board, including me, is against the killing of Jewish people, and you have no right to imply otherwise. And I can't see how you do the "pro-Israel" cause any good by demeaning historic injustices and suffering through careless use of the phrase you use.
As far as I know(and again, I'm neither a member or supporter of the ISM, so I'm not the person to ask about everything they've done)the ISM does NOT defend unprovoked attacks on Israeli soldiers, or ANY attacks on Israeli civilians, or the targeting of anyone for violence anywhere simply for being Jewish. If they were to actually defend anything of the sort, I would denounce it and so would everybody that regular posts in the I/P group, including all the avowed antizionists. Nobody here is a Nazi or an apologist for Naziism, shira. Nobody here hates Jews or wishes them to die. OK?
My statement about people banging on the D-9 cab was not an intentional untruth-I thought I had a source for it, was unable to find the source, and deleted it as soon as I realized I couldn't source it. That was my error, and the ISM, whatever you can say about them, was not responsible for it. It's a non-issue.
As to the picture, I don't know anything about it and don't wish to address it unless I can find some sort of explanation for it.