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oberliner

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96. UPDATE: Statement by members of Berlin’s FB discussion group
Sun Oct 7, 2012, 09:51 AM
Oct 2012

In the past few days there have been a flood of attacks on Greta Berlin, based on an incident that was blown out of proportion, a reaction to an innocuous post that was taken completely out of context. When Greta saw the originalpostpublished in one Facebook group, she intended to share it with our group in the context of an ongoing discussion. Unfortunately, she forgot to change the setting on the Facebook sharing feature, bringing the post to her wall instead of landing in our closed group. Since Greta’s wall was linked with the Free Gaza Movement Twitter account, the post found its way to Twitter. Isolated from our discussion, the post was understood completely out of context, leading readers to believe that Greta herself was endorsing the content of the post.

Ours is a small and secret Facebook group, 37 members strong, consisting of a very diverse set of people from different backgrounds, ethnicities and opinions. Many of us know each other personally; our mutual trust allows discussions to involve subjects that are not appropriate for public consumption, sometimes simply because our opinions are not fully ripe; we experiment with them and bounce them off each other in an attempt to understand the issues at hand, developing a better and more coherent argument.

One such topic involves the role of the Zionist movement during the Holocaust. Numerous historians before us made the claim, that leaders of the Zionist movement gave higher priority to the realization of their national project, sometimes missing opportunities to save European Jews. These priorities were made explicit in a famousquotebyDavidBen-Gurion, their consequences analyzed by historians such as Tom Segev and others. In this context Greta wished to highlight that anti-Semitic remarks have exaggerated and distorted this argument, claiming that Zionists have actively “run the concentration camps”.

Naturally nobody in his or her right mind would adopt such a claim, least of all Greta Berlin. Greta is highly respected and trusted by a large community of human rights activists, a co-founder and one of the leaders of the Free Gaza Movement. She’s faced down the IDF on the high seas a number of times, and is obviously no coward. If she hated Jews and denied the Holocaust, she would not be afraid to say so in public. But that’s not what she thinks, and her personal courage is a matter of record. So there is no reason for anyone to doubt her word.

http://972mag.com/head-of-free-gaza-movement-anti-semitic-video-in-question-is-disgusting/57188/

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Free Gaza's Explanation doxyluv13 Oct 2012 #1
LOL! Did Greta Berlin also "mistakenly" post this..... shira Oct 2012 #2
Sooo busted nt King_David Oct 2012 #6
From Wikipedia King_David Oct 2012 #7
Pull the other finger ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #3
I do not buy that lame excuse, King_David Oct 2012 #4
Avi says :'Shocked but not overly surprised' King_David Oct 2012 #5
Notice Greta's defenders attack Avi and deflect rather than... shira Oct 2012 #63
Archbishop Tutu: Please, Apologize to the Jews shira Oct 2012 #8
Sign the Petition to Desmond Tutu shira Oct 2012 #9
in the past haven't you referred to Desmond Tutu as possibly Helen Thomas II azurnoir Oct 2012 #10
Surprised he endorsed such an antisemitic movement ? King_David Oct 2012 #13
At least Huwaida Arraf called the tweet offensive... shira Oct 2012 #18
Interesting Huwaida Arraf-Shapiro basically said the same thing Greta Berlin did but........... azurnoir Oct 2012 #19
What do you think now of Greta Berlin and Free Gaza? shira Oct 2012 #22
as to Berlin she should she should be condemned but it seems that condemning Berlin isn't ehough azurnoir Oct 2012 #25
None of the better known anti-zionists have condemned her.... shira Oct 2012 #44
If he stays quiet, he'll just confirm what I've written.... shira Oct 2012 #16
what you've written in the past show an already made up mind IMO azurnoir Oct 2012 #20
Do you believe Tutu should strongly condemn Greta Berlin? n/t shira Oct 2012 #21
really I don't care either way Tutu is not a member of Free Gaza azurnoir Oct 2012 #26
Tutu's endorsement of a hate group will tarnish.... shira Oct 2012 #40
your past writings show that Tutu's name is already associated with the "lowest, gutter hatred" azurnoir Oct 2012 #48
So you don't believe Tutu has to disassociate himself... shira Oct 2012 #51
still hounding Desmond Tutu are 'we' azurnoir Oct 2012 #54
So, I take your answer to be no. Deflections withstanding. n/t shira Oct 2012 #58
you are free to take anything you wish azurnoir Oct 2012 #60
So rather than deflect all questions, why not answer? n/t shira Oct 2012 #61
Here is a list of Free Gaza's ssupporters but yet we Desmond Tutu targeted here seems rather selecti azurnoir Oct 2012 #56
Tutu is by far the most well respected anti-racist from that list.... shira Oct 2012 #57
according to you his 'reputation' was already quite 'tarnished' azurnoir Oct 2012 #59
This has nothing to do with me... shira Oct 2012 #62
as you are ther one who brought Desmond Tutu into this it does have something to do with you azurnoir Oct 2012 #64
So you wouldn't expect Eli Wiesel to do or say anything.... shira Oct 2012 #65
Weisel has allied himself with Israel's rightwing as I pointed out in my first post azurnoir Oct 2012 #66
So Wiesel allying himself with a coalition including Ehud Barak.... shira Oct 2012 #69
can I unload on anyone in the manner you do? NOPE azurnoir Oct 2012 #71
Tutu can distance himself from that disgusting movement, King_David Oct 2012 #87
so the target here is not Berlin it is in fact Free Gaza and anyone who supports it right? azurnoir Oct 2012 #106
Where did the tweet come from? King_David Oct 2012 #109
so it was this tweet that brought you to this revelation? azurnoir Oct 2012 #110
I don't support antisemitic groups ,or give them the time of day,even King_David Oct 2012 #120
Will Shira stop at nothing to defame Israel's victims and their supporters? doxyluv13 Oct 2012 #11
It's not defamation to point out the truth, King_David Oct 2012 #12
I'm amazed at how nasty & dumb Greta Berlin is.... shira Oct 2012 #15
What's amazing is that none of Free Gaza's supporters.... shira Oct 2012 #14
June 2012: Greta Berlin endorsement of Gilad Atzmon shira Oct 2012 #17
Larry Derfner defends Greta Berlin at +972 shira Oct 2012 #23
Derfner won't retract, despite knowing he got story wrong shira Oct 2012 #195
The excuse does not sound particularly credible... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #24
agreed AA about Berlin however it is the antiTutu campaigning here that bothers me azurnoir Oct 2012 #27
I wouldnt worry too much about him shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #81
oh I am sure both Desmond Tutu and his reputation will survive this incident azurnoir Oct 2012 #111
What do you make of this 'incident'? Muchado about nothing? n/t shira Oct 2012 #127
simply much ado azurnoir Oct 2012 #131
If Greta doesn't speak for the movement.... shira Oct 2012 #133
I would say indifference probably best describes the attitude azurnoir Oct 2012 #136
So you think anti-Zio leadership is indifferent.... shira Oct 2012 #139
meaning Greta Berlin is far more important to the 'Pro'- Israel set azurnoir Oct 2012 #154
This thread has a grand total of about five people posting in it oberliner Oct 2012 #161
You've never brought her up here on DU? oberliner Oct 2012 #141
not that I remember offhand but I'm sure you have something azurnoir Oct 2012 #153
Huh? oberliner Oct 2012 #156
why would you bring it up? azurnoir Oct 2012 #162
Was surprised by your claim oberliner Oct 2012 #165
Greta Berlin Clarifies oberliner Oct 2012 #30
Abunimah's only half right. shira Oct 2012 #38
He is ridiculous oberliner Oct 2012 #93
Not even the most blatant love of Naziism brings forth condemnation.... shira Oct 2012 #95
I predict this ends in forgive-and-forget oberliner Oct 2012 #100
Check out Abunimah's Twitter feed as of 12:15pm EST shira Oct 2012 #121
They seem open to apologizing oberliner Oct 2012 #122
Free Gaza is about to sail from Naples but I am sure the current condemnation of not only Berlin azurnoir Oct 2012 #28
The slandering of Gaza flotilla activist Greta Berlin oberliner Oct 2012 #29
that article has already been posted on this thread and does not relate to my comment azurnoir Oct 2012 #32
It confirms your point oberliner Oct 2012 #33
no that was hardly my point as I also said Berlins tweet is being used as a blanket attack azurnoir Oct 2012 #34
Derfner's defense of Berlin is definitely existent and not imaginary oberliner Oct 2012 #35
yes I realize Derfner is defending her however my respect for Derfner azurnoir Oct 2012 #36
I find your lack of defense very surprising oberliner Oct 2012 #42
really? IMO Helen Thomas was a very different case but what is your opinion on Tutu? n/t azurnoir Oct 2012 #47
Do you have a problem strongly condemning Greta Berlin.... shira Oct 2012 #55
are you able to read? what are you digging for or did I already call it in post #66 n/t? azurnoir Oct 2012 #68
Did I miss your strong condemnation of Greta Berlin? As well... shira Oct 2012 #70
that was all like 11 minutes ago that I said what I had to s say about Berlin azurnoir Oct 2012 #72
You mean, calling her a big mouth is all you feel you need to say? n/t shira Oct 2012 #75
yep that's all but feel free to dramatize and name call all you want azurnoir Oct 2012 #86
So it's not the nasty ideology you're against, only the fact she.... shira Oct 2012 #134
ah ya sure whatever you say shira but please show us the post where I defend or even promote azurnoir Oct 2012 #137
Thomas actually stood by her remarks oberliner Oct 2012 #92
You don't believe this should detract from future Free Gaza activity? n/t shira Oct 2012 #53
From Naomi Klein via Twitter oberliner Oct 2012 #31
Nine hours ago shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #37
I find your reaction here very surprising oberliner Oct 2012 #41
I generally don't like bullshit excuses... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #82
Maybe the excuses aren't BS oberliner Oct 2012 #83
Translation.... shira Oct 2012 #39
The 'graciousness' with which apoliogies are being accepted is well 'impressive' azurnoir Oct 2012 #49
What exactly is your problem with Berlin? oberliner Oct 2012 #50
what else do I want? would you believe I don't care? azurnoir Oct 2012 #67
So, she's just a big mouth? Nothing else to say? n/t shira Oct 2012 #73
She is the founder of the Free Gaza Movement, that's how she became head oberliner Oct 2012 #76
ooooh I'm impressed azurnoir Oct 2012 #84
Huh? oberliner Oct 2012 #90
what is the thread title here? do you disagree with that? azurnoir Oct 2012 #105
It is an accurate title nt King_David Oct 2012 #108
This tweet/incident does not change my opinion of the FGM in any way oberliner Oct 2012 #114
Ditto. n/t shira Oct 2012 #128
I'm quite sure you do but care to enlighten us as to what those unchanged feelings are? n/t azurnoir Oct 2012 #152
You can search if you are interested oberliner Oct 2012 #158
you stated Berlin is THE founder of Free Gaza azurnoir Oct 2012 #85
Yea obviously Oberliner was wrong... King_David Oct 2012 #88
Sorry - one of the founders oberliner Oct 2012 #91
Paul Larudee (another fan of Atzmon) is also a co-founder... shira Oct 2012 #94
I am sure she is singing in the shower, ( Naomi Klein ) King_David Oct 2012 #89
I sometimes sing that song in the shower. Dick Dastardly Oct 2012 #163
Interesting to note who is and who isn't throwing her under the bus oberliner Oct 2012 #43
No one's really thrown her under the bus. Not even Abunimah of EI... shira Oct 2012 #45
He's been a lot less forgiving with her than he was with Helen Thomas oberliner Oct 2012 #46
I didn't know that even now, Abunimah defends Thomas. shira Oct 2012 #52
Which is why I think there may be more to the story oberliner Oct 2012 #74
Clearly, he has his eyes on their giant treasure chest shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #79
Nah, I just think he may have other issues with Greta oberliner Oct 2012 #80
Greta Berlin’s tells her side of the story oberliner Oct 2012 #77
Estelle tama Oct 2012 #78
UPDATE: Statement by members of Berlin’s FB discussion group oberliner Oct 2012 #96
Translation: She's digging in, going nowhere & won't step down. shira Oct 2012 #98
Jewish Voice for Peace Statement on Greta Berlin and Allegations of Anti-Semitism shira Oct 2012 #97
"...unless this matter can be further clarified" oberliner Oct 2012 #99
Where, exactly? (nt) shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #113
Clarification, Apologies, Reconciliation oberliner Oct 2012 #115
Prediction: Greta will be welcomed back into the fold oberliner Oct 2012 #101
Probably. Being pro-Nazi is no biggie, apparently. shira Oct 2012 #102
Care for a friendly wager on that? nt shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #104
What's your prediction? oberliner Oct 2012 #116
Irrelevance, if they are not there already shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #117
There is a flotilla going on right now oberliner Oct 2012 #118
Gilad Atzmon supports Greta Berlin / Attacks Ali Abunimah shira Oct 2012 #103
There is no difference between ANY of this vile crowd... King_David Oct 2012 #107
Some people would call that a teachable moment (nt) shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #112
Yeah, like watching Stormfronters, KKK'ers, neo-nazis, and skinheads.... shira Dec 2012 #221
Atzmon publishes Paul Larudee (co-founder ISM, FGM) re: Greta Berlin shira Oct 2012 #119
Thank you shira for the reveal azurnoir Oct 2012 #123
one can be pro-palestinian and not anti-zionist Mosby Oct 2012 #124
Define antizionist azurnoir Oct 2012 #125
Most of these Anti-Zionists King_David Oct 2012 #219
One would think leading anti-racists & anti-fascists would.... shira Oct 2012 #126
do you read peoples comments? your replies would not be be indicative of that azurnoir Oct 2012 #129
Not supportive, but seemingly indifferent. n/t shira Oct 2012 #135
Maybe not the whole movement King_David Oct 2012 #138
Those who aren't bigots simply don't care or are indifferent.... shira Oct 2012 #140
wow 3 replies to one post azurnoir Oct 2012 #151
Interesting characterization of what happened in Gaza this weekend oberliner Oct 2012 #164
Yes Hamas launched rockets against IDF bases the children were wounded while IDF was attempting to azurnoir Oct 2012 #168
How are the children? oberliner Oct 2012 #173
EI-er accuses Berlin supporter of being a sockpuppeteer oberliner Oct 2012 #130
Fascinating discussion of this over at Mondoweiss oberliner Oct 2012 #132
IF...YOU...DARE!!!! shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #143
Good commentary but Phil Weiss never wrote a word of it.. King_David Oct 2012 #146
I was referring to his comments in the thread (nt) shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #149
The psychology of the weissmorondo crowd is even more interesting oberliner Oct 2012 #147
You inferred that his attitude towards Berlin had something to do with her race shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #150
No, you inferred that oberliner Oct 2012 #155
actually you did post #43 azurnoir Oct 2012 #157
Yes, I know oberliner Oct 2012 #159
Sure, you were just putting the question out there shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #167
Nothing like that oberliner Oct 2012 #174
Feeling the Hate @ Mondoweiss n/t shira Oct 2012 #145
Statement from former board members of Free Gaza movement shira Oct 2012 #142
Nazi Propaganda Makes a Comeback on Twitter By Jeffrey Goldberg shira Oct 2012 #144
Ezra Pound? oberliner Oct 2012 #148
wow it took Jeffrey a whole week to come up to speed on this all important issue azurnoir Oct 2012 #160
October 8 King_David Oct 2012 #166
Mondocreep do you mean Phil Weiss? or Alex Kane? but their reporting started before 10/8 azurnoir Oct 2012 #169
EI has taken the lead in the reporting oberliner Oct 2012 #172
Greta Berlin’s anti-Semitic Tweet Damages the Cause of Gaza shira Oct 2012 #170
MJ Rosenberg: "Greta Berlin at Gaza org sounds like a real hater." shira Oct 2012 #171
Turns out race was a factor oberliner Oct 2012 #175
Abuminah finally got the story he wanted: Jewish Israeli infiltrates Free Gaza Movement! oberliner Oct 2012 #176
same link you posted in comment #175 6 hours ago and race has nothing to do with it azurnoir Oct 2012 #177
Wrong, of course. Totally new tweet. And race it turns out has everything to do with it. oberliner Oct 2012 #178
the fatuous claims of racial prejudice on the part of Ali Abunimah evenb though he did not write azurnoir Oct 2012 #179
Nothing fatuous about it oberliner Oct 2012 #192
I thought you didn't like the word "Jewish" to appear in bylines... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #180
Spelentic! oberliner Oct 2012 #191
This is very sad. I'm sure that most of the prominent names mentioned in the OP are not JDPriestly Oct 2012 #181
Another tweet focusing on the race angle oberliner Oct 2012 #182
Abuminah plays the race card explicitly oberliner Oct 2012 #183
Another race-related tweet from Electronic Intifada oberliner Oct 2012 #184
Mondoweiss: No room for racism in a movement for equality and freedom shira Oct 2012 #185
Greta Berlin replies @ Mondoweiss shira Oct 2012 #186
Ali Abunimah replies to Greta @ Mondoweiss shira Oct 2012 #187
Berlin calls Abunimah "Ali Ayatollah".... shira Oct 2012 #188
Yet it is all about race for the EI-ers oberliner Oct 2012 #190
Greta Berlin writes to Alison Weir that Ofer Engel is NOT an infiltrator shira Oct 2012 #189
Ali and friends went after Ofer Engel hard oberliner Oct 2012 #193
(Not a joke) PRESS-TV defends Greta Berlin shira Oct 2012 #194
Free Gaza’s Col. Ann Wright disinvited from Swedish Boat to Gaza shira Oct 2012 #196
There's also another wild post from EI oberliner Oct 2012 #197
Gilad Atzmon & Lauren Booth blame Jews for booting Ann Wright shira Oct 2012 #198
And your surprised ? King_David Oct 2012 #204
There is no difference between them and Stormfront. n/t shira Oct 2012 #208
Agreed King_David Oct 2012 #216
Swedish ship to Gaza claims it cut ties to anti-semitic FreeGaza, but..... shira Oct 2012 #199
The one is no more (or less) anti-semitic than the other oberliner Oct 2012 #200
Anti-Israel Sentiment Predicts Anti-Semitism in Europe shira Oct 2012 #201
Interesting oberliner Oct 2012 #202
Consider who they'd be hanging out with.... shira Oct 2012 #203
Saw a comment along those lines on Mondoweiss oberliner Oct 2012 #207
I respect honest anti-semites more than cowardly ones. shira Oct 2012 #209
I prefer the cowards oberliner Oct 2012 #212
If Only It Was Just One Tweet.... shira Oct 2012 #205
This should be the story oberliner Oct 2012 #206
What this article also shows is that anti-semites are accepted.... shira Oct 2012 #210
If they are Palestinian they can make their views public oberliner Oct 2012 #211
If they're Palestinian extremists, they can... shira Oct 2012 #214
Benjamin Doherty of EI mentioned this thread on his Twitter account oberliner Oct 2012 #213
He doesn't like how you exposed his anti-white racism. n/t shira Oct 2012 #215
KEN O’KEEFE EMBRACES WHITE SUPREMACIST DAVID DUKE shira Oct 2012 #217
Can these people even pretend anymore? King_David Oct 2012 #218
Here's O'Keefe about being on the Mavi Marmara (Flotilla fiasco).... shira Oct 2012 #220
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