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shira

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126. One would think leading anti-racists & anti-fascists would....

Mon Oct 8, 2012, 06:23 PM

Oct 2012

...at the VERY, VERY least speak out against gutter neo-Naziism and demand the resignation of Greta Berlin.

Come on now...

And are you REALLY arguing that her support of Atzmon and these nasty tweets & facebook postings are not as bad as advertised?

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The Free Gaza Movement Shows Its Anti-Semitic Face (UPDATED) [View all] shira Oct 2012 OP

Free Gaza's Explanation doxyluv13 Oct 2012 #1

LOL! Did Greta Berlin also "mistakenly" post this..... shira Oct 2012 #2

Sooo busted nt King_David Oct 2012 #6

From Wikipedia King_David Oct 2012 #7

Pull the other finger ProgressiveProfessor Oct 2012 #3

I do not buy that lame excuse, King_David Oct 2012 #4

Avi says :'Shocked but not overly surprised' King_David Oct 2012 #5

Notice Greta's defenders attack Avi and deflect rather than... shira Oct 2012 #63

Archbishop Tutu: Please, Apologize to the Jews shira Oct 2012 #8

Sign the Petition to Desmond Tutu shira Oct 2012 #9

in the past haven't you referred to Desmond Tutu as possibly Helen Thomas II azurnoir Oct 2012 #10

Surprised he endorsed such an antisemitic movement ? King_David Oct 2012 #13

At least Huwaida Arraf called the tweet offensive... shira Oct 2012 #18

Interesting Huwaida Arraf-Shapiro basically said the same thing Greta Berlin did but........... azurnoir Oct 2012 #19

What do you think now of Greta Berlin and Free Gaza? shira Oct 2012 #22

as to Berlin she should she should be condemned but it seems that condemning Berlin isn't ehough azurnoir Oct 2012 #25

None of the better known anti-zionists have condemned her.... shira Oct 2012 #44

If he stays quiet, he'll just confirm what I've written.... shira Oct 2012 #16

what you've written in the past show an already made up mind IMO azurnoir Oct 2012 #20

Do you believe Tutu should strongly condemn Greta Berlin? n/t shira Oct 2012 #21

really I don't care either way Tutu is not a member of Free Gaza azurnoir Oct 2012 #26

Tutu's endorsement of a hate group will tarnish.... shira Oct 2012 #40

your past writings show that Tutu's name is already associated with the "lowest, gutter hatred" azurnoir Oct 2012 #48

So you don't believe Tutu has to disassociate himself... shira Oct 2012 #51

still hounding Desmond Tutu are 'we' azurnoir Oct 2012 #54

So, I take your answer to be no. Deflections withstanding. n/t shira Oct 2012 #58

you are free to take anything you wish azurnoir Oct 2012 #60

So rather than deflect all questions, why not answer? n/t shira Oct 2012 #61

Here is a list of Free Gaza's ssupporters but yet we Desmond Tutu targeted here seems rather selecti azurnoir Oct 2012 #56

Tutu is by far the most well respected anti-racist from that list.... shira Oct 2012 #57

according to you his 'reputation' was already quite 'tarnished' azurnoir Oct 2012 #59

This has nothing to do with me... shira Oct 2012 #62

as you are ther one who brought Desmond Tutu into this it does have something to do with you azurnoir Oct 2012 #64

So you wouldn't expect Eli Wiesel to do or say anything.... shira Oct 2012 #65

Weisel has allied himself with Israel's rightwing as I pointed out in my first post azurnoir Oct 2012 #66

So Wiesel allying himself with a coalition including Ehud Barak.... shira Oct 2012 #69

can I unload on anyone in the manner you do? NOPE azurnoir Oct 2012 #71

Tutu can distance himself from that disgusting movement, King_David Oct 2012 #87

so the target here is not Berlin it is in fact Free Gaza and anyone who supports it right? azurnoir Oct 2012 #106

Where did the tweet come from? King_David Oct 2012 #109

so it was this tweet that brought you to this revelation? azurnoir Oct 2012 #110

I don't support antisemitic groups ,or give them the time of day,even King_David Oct 2012 #120

Will Shira stop at nothing to defame Israel's victims and their supporters? doxyluv13 Oct 2012 #11

It's not defamation to point out the truth, King_David Oct 2012 #12

I'm amazed at how nasty & dumb Greta Berlin is.... shira Oct 2012 #15

What's amazing is that none of Free Gaza's supporters.... shira Oct 2012 #14

June 2012: Greta Berlin endorsement of Gilad Atzmon shira Oct 2012 #17

Larry Derfner defends Greta Berlin at +972 shira Oct 2012 #23

Derfner won't retract, despite knowing he got story wrong shira Oct 2012 #195

The excuse does not sound particularly credible... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #24

agreed AA about Berlin however it is the antiTutu campaigning here that bothers me azurnoir Oct 2012 #27

I wouldnt worry too much about him shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #81

oh I am sure both Desmond Tutu and his reputation will survive this incident azurnoir Oct 2012 #111

What do you make of this 'incident'? Muchado about nothing? n/t shira Oct 2012 #127

simply much ado azurnoir Oct 2012 #131

If Greta doesn't speak for the movement.... shira Oct 2012 #133

I would say indifference probably best describes the attitude azurnoir Oct 2012 #136

So you think anti-Zio leadership is indifferent.... shira Oct 2012 #139

meaning Greta Berlin is far more important to the 'Pro'- Israel set azurnoir Oct 2012 #154

This thread has a grand total of about five people posting in it oberliner Oct 2012 #161

You've never brought her up here on DU? oberliner Oct 2012 #141

not that I remember offhand but I'm sure you have something azurnoir Oct 2012 #153

Huh? oberliner Oct 2012 #156

why would you bring it up? azurnoir Oct 2012 #162

Was surprised by your claim oberliner Oct 2012 #165

Greta Berlin Clarifies oberliner Oct 2012 #30

Abunimah's only half right. shira Oct 2012 #38

He is ridiculous oberliner Oct 2012 #93

Not even the most blatant love of Naziism brings forth condemnation.... shira Oct 2012 #95

I predict this ends in forgive-and-forget oberliner Oct 2012 #100

Check out Abunimah's Twitter feed as of 12:15pm EST shira Oct 2012 #121

They seem open to apologizing oberliner Oct 2012 #122

Free Gaza is about to sail from Naples but I am sure the current condemnation of not only Berlin azurnoir Oct 2012 #28

The slandering of Gaza flotilla activist Greta Berlin oberliner Oct 2012 #29

that article has already been posted on this thread and does not relate to my comment azurnoir Oct 2012 #32

It confirms your point oberliner Oct 2012 #33

no that was hardly my point as I also said Berlins tweet is being used as a blanket attack azurnoir Oct 2012 #34

Derfner's defense of Berlin is definitely existent and not imaginary oberliner Oct 2012 #35

yes I realize Derfner is defending her however my respect for Derfner azurnoir Oct 2012 #36

I find your lack of defense very surprising oberliner Oct 2012 #42

really? IMO Helen Thomas was a very different case but what is your opinion on Tutu? n/t azurnoir Oct 2012 #47

Do you have a problem strongly condemning Greta Berlin.... shira Oct 2012 #55

are you able to read? what are you digging for or did I already call it in post #66 n/t? azurnoir Oct 2012 #68

Did I miss your strong condemnation of Greta Berlin? As well... shira Oct 2012 #70

that was all like 11 minutes ago that I said what I had to s say about Berlin azurnoir Oct 2012 #72

You mean, calling her a big mouth is all you feel you need to say? n/t shira Oct 2012 #75

yep that's all but feel free to dramatize and name call all you want azurnoir Oct 2012 #86

So it's not the nasty ideology you're against, only the fact she.... shira Oct 2012 #134

ah ya sure whatever you say shira but please show us the post where I defend or even promote azurnoir Oct 2012 #137

Thomas actually stood by her remarks oberliner Oct 2012 #92

You don't believe this should detract from future Free Gaza activity? n/t shira Oct 2012 #53

From Naomi Klein via Twitter oberliner Oct 2012 #31

Nine hours ago shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #37

I find your reaction here very surprising oberliner Oct 2012 #41

I generally don't like bullshit excuses... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #82

Maybe the excuses aren't BS oberliner Oct 2012 #83

Translation.... shira Oct 2012 #39

The 'graciousness' with which apoliogies are being accepted is well 'impressive' azurnoir Oct 2012 #49

What exactly is your problem with Berlin? oberliner Oct 2012 #50

what else do I want? would you believe I don't care? azurnoir Oct 2012 #67

So, she's just a big mouth? Nothing else to say? n/t shira Oct 2012 #73

She is the founder of the Free Gaza Movement, that's how she became head oberliner Oct 2012 #76

ooooh I'm impressed azurnoir Oct 2012 #84

Huh? oberliner Oct 2012 #90

what is the thread title here? do you disagree with that? azurnoir Oct 2012 #105

It is an accurate title nt King_David Oct 2012 #108

This tweet/incident does not change my opinion of the FGM in any way oberliner Oct 2012 #114

Ditto. n/t shira Oct 2012 #128

I'm quite sure you do but care to enlighten us as to what those unchanged feelings are? n/t azurnoir Oct 2012 #152

You can search if you are interested oberliner Oct 2012 #158

you stated Berlin is THE founder of Free Gaza azurnoir Oct 2012 #85

Yea obviously Oberliner was wrong... King_David Oct 2012 #88

Sorry - one of the founders oberliner Oct 2012 #91

Paul Larudee (another fan of Atzmon) is also a co-founder... shira Oct 2012 #94

I am sure she is singing in the shower, ( Naomi Klein ) King_David Oct 2012 #89

I sometimes sing that song in the shower. Dick Dastardly Oct 2012 #163

Interesting to note who is and who isn't throwing her under the bus oberliner Oct 2012 #43

No one's really thrown her under the bus. Not even Abunimah of EI... shira Oct 2012 #45

He's been a lot less forgiving with her than he was with Helen Thomas oberliner Oct 2012 #46

I didn't know that even now, Abunimah defends Thomas. shira Oct 2012 #52

Which is why I think there may be more to the story oberliner Oct 2012 #74

Clearly, he has his eyes on their giant treasure chest shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #79

Nah, I just think he may have other issues with Greta oberliner Oct 2012 #80

Greta Berlin�s tells her side of the story oberliner Oct 2012 #77

Estelle tama Oct 2012 #78

UPDATE: Statement by members of Berlin�s FB discussion group oberliner Oct 2012 #96

Translation: She's digging in, going nowhere & won't step down. shira Oct 2012 #98

Jewish Voice for Peace Statement on Greta Berlin and Allegations of Anti-Semitism shira Oct 2012 #97

"...unless this matter can be further clarified" oberliner Oct 2012 #99

Where, exactly? (nt) shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #113

Clarification, Apologies, Reconciliation oberliner Oct 2012 #115

Prediction: Greta will be welcomed back into the fold oberliner Oct 2012 #101

Probably. Being pro-Nazi is no biggie, apparently. shira Oct 2012 #102

Care for a friendly wager on that? nt shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #104

What's your prediction? oberliner Oct 2012 #116

Irrelevance, if they are not there already shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #117

There is a flotilla going on right now oberliner Oct 2012 #118

Gilad Atzmon supports Greta Berlin / Attacks Ali Abunimah shira Oct 2012 #103

There is no difference between ANY of this vile crowd... King_David Oct 2012 #107

Some people would call that a teachable moment (nt) shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #112

Yeah, like watching Stormfronters, KKK'ers, neo-nazis, and skinheads.... shira Dec 2012 #221

Atzmon publishes Paul Larudee (co-founder ISM, FGM) re: Greta Berlin shira Oct 2012 #119

Thank you shira for the reveal azurnoir Oct 2012 #123

one can be pro-palestinian and not anti-zionist Mosby Oct 2012 #124

Define antizionist azurnoir Oct 2012 #125

Most of these Anti-Zionists King_David Oct 2012 #219

One would think leading anti-racists & anti-fascists would.... shira Oct 2012 #126

do you read peoples comments? your replies would not be be indicative of that azurnoir Oct 2012 #129

Not supportive, but seemingly indifferent. n/t shira Oct 2012 #135

Maybe not the whole movement King_David Oct 2012 #138

Those who aren't bigots simply don't care or are indifferent.... shira Oct 2012 #140

wow 3 replies to one post azurnoir Oct 2012 #151

Interesting characterization of what happened in Gaza this weekend oberliner Oct 2012 #164

Yes Hamas launched rockets against IDF bases the children were wounded while IDF was attempting to azurnoir Oct 2012 #168

How are the children? oberliner Oct 2012 #173

EI-er accuses Berlin supporter of being a sockpuppeteer oberliner Oct 2012 #130

Fascinating discussion of this over at Mondoweiss oberliner Oct 2012 #132

IF...YOU...DARE!!!! shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #143

Good commentary but Phil Weiss never wrote a word of it.. King_David Oct 2012 #146

I was referring to his comments in the thread (nt) shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #149

The psychology of the weissmorondo crowd is even more interesting oberliner Oct 2012 #147

You inferred that his attitude towards Berlin had something to do with her race shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #150

No, you inferred that oberliner Oct 2012 #155

actually you did post #43 azurnoir Oct 2012 #157

Yes, I know oberliner Oct 2012 #159

Sure, you were just putting the question out there shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #167

Nothing like that oberliner Oct 2012 #174

Feeling the Hate @ Mondoweiss n/t shira Oct 2012 #145

Statement from former board members of Free Gaza movement shira Oct 2012 #142

Nazi Propaganda Makes a Comeback on Twitter By Jeffrey Goldberg shira Oct 2012 #144

Ezra Pound? oberliner Oct 2012 #148

wow it took Jeffrey a whole week to come up to speed on this all important issue azurnoir Oct 2012 #160

October 8 King_David Oct 2012 #166

Mondocreep do you mean Phil Weiss? or Alex Kane? but their reporting started before 10/8 azurnoir Oct 2012 #169

EI has taken the lead in the reporting oberliner Oct 2012 #172

Greta Berlin�s anti-Semitic Tweet Damages the Cause of Gaza shira Oct 2012 #170

MJ Rosenberg: "Greta Berlin at Gaza org sounds like a real hater." shira Oct 2012 #171

Turns out race was a factor oberliner Oct 2012 #175

Abuminah finally got the story he wanted: Jewish Israeli infiltrates Free Gaza Movement! oberliner Oct 2012 #176

same link you posted in comment #175 6 hours ago and race has nothing to do with it azurnoir Oct 2012 #177

Wrong, of course. Totally new tweet. And race it turns out has everything to do with it. oberliner Oct 2012 #178

the fatuous claims of racial prejudice on the part of Ali Abunimah evenb though he did not write azurnoir Oct 2012 #179

Nothing fatuous about it oberliner Oct 2012 #192

I thought you didn't like the word "Jewish" to appear in bylines... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #180

Spelentic! oberliner Oct 2012 #191

This is very sad. I'm sure that most of the prominent names mentioned in the OP are not JDPriestly Oct 2012 #181

Another tweet focusing on the race angle oberliner Oct 2012 #182

Abuminah plays the race card explicitly oberliner Oct 2012 #183

Another race-related tweet from Electronic Intifada oberliner Oct 2012 #184

Mondoweiss: No room for racism in a movement for equality and freedom shira Oct 2012 #185

Greta Berlin replies @ Mondoweiss shira Oct 2012 #186

Ali Abunimah replies to Greta @ Mondoweiss shira Oct 2012 #187

Berlin calls Abunimah "Ali Ayatollah".... shira Oct 2012 #188

Yet it is all about race for the EI-ers oberliner Oct 2012 #190

Greta Berlin writes to Alison Weir that Ofer Engel is NOT an infiltrator shira Oct 2012 #189

Ali and friends went after Ofer Engel hard oberliner Oct 2012 #193

(Not a joke) PRESS-TV defends Greta Berlin shira Oct 2012 #194

Free Gaza�s Col. Ann Wright disinvited from Swedish Boat to Gaza shira Oct 2012 #196

There's also another wild post from EI oberliner Oct 2012 #197

Gilad Atzmon & Lauren Booth blame Jews for booting Ann Wright shira Oct 2012 #198

And your surprised ? King_David Oct 2012 #204

There is no difference between them and Stormfront. n/t shira Oct 2012 #208

Agreed King_David Oct 2012 #216

Swedish ship to Gaza claims it cut ties to anti-semitic FreeGaza, but..... shira Oct 2012 #199

The one is no more (or less) anti-semitic than the other oberliner Oct 2012 #200

Anti-Israel Sentiment Predicts Anti-Semitism in Europe shira Oct 2012 #201

Interesting oberliner Oct 2012 #202

Consider who they'd be hanging out with.... shira Oct 2012 #203

Saw a comment along those lines on Mondoweiss oberliner Oct 2012 #207

I respect honest anti-semites more than cowardly ones. shira Oct 2012 #209

I prefer the cowards oberliner Oct 2012 #212

If Only It Was Just One Tweet.... shira Oct 2012 #205

This should be the story oberliner Oct 2012 #206

What this article also shows is that anti-semites are accepted.... shira Oct 2012 #210

If they are Palestinian they can make their views public oberliner Oct 2012 #211

If they're Palestinian extremists, they can... shira Oct 2012 #214

Benjamin Doherty of EI mentioned this thread on his Twitter account oberliner Oct 2012 #213

He doesn't like how you exposed his anti-white racism. n/t shira Oct 2012 #215

KEN O�KEEFE EMBRACES WHITE SUPREMACIST DAVID DUKE shira Oct 2012 #217

Can these people even pretend anymore? King_David Oct 2012 #218

Here's O'Keefe about being on the Mavi Marmara (Flotilla fiasco).... shira Oct 2012 #220