Israel/Palestine

oberliner

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119. Some American Jews consider themselves voices of Israel?

Reply to azurnoir (Reply #118)

Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:08 PM

Oct 2012

Even ones who weren't born there? Can you enumerate some?

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Polls see easy election win for Netanyahu, Israeli right [View all] azurnoir Oct 2012 OP

Well, it hardly seems worth it, but here I go... Deep13 Oct 2012 #1

Asshole right over there montanacowboy Oct 2012 #2

That is a shame. madaboutharry Oct 2012 #3

Israel Harry_Scrote Oct 2012 #4

well that depends on ones defination of right and left wings azurnoir Oct 2012 #5

No, it's a very recent phenomenon oberliner Oct 2012 #7

Traditionally? Like when former terrorist Yitzak Shamir was PM or when Bibi was PM in the 90's? azurnoir Oct 2012 #11

He did spcify eyl Oct 2012 #12

Before then. LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #17

Bibi didn't become PM in the late 70s oberliner Oct 2012 #21

Sorry, I meant Begin (obviously I have Bibi on the brain). I have now edited my post LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #24

I think he meant up until 1977. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #51

Since around the last time Bibi was PM. nt bemildred Oct 2012 #10

Demographics... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #33

The vast majority of Israeli Zionists are still leftwing. shira Oct 2012 #34

It is certainly NOT the case that all leftwingers support one state! LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #35

Didn't say that. Most Israeli left-wingers are for 2 states.... shira Oct 2012 #37

I don't see 'those who exhibit fascist tendencies' as left-wing LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #38

Let's go with your definition of leftist vs. liberal... shira Oct 2012 #39

Do I see as leftist those with fascist tendencies who are leftist economically? LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #43

Orwell understood 70 years ago that totalitarian politics renders left-right social-economic bemildred Oct 2012 #45

Well put, but I'm not sure that most leftists still want "a relatively controlled economy" Ken Burch Oct 2012 #63

Most of those left-wingers are AGAINST the Occupation Ken Burch Oct 2012 #62

They're also 1-staters in the Ali Abunimah & Gilad Atzmon camps.... shira Oct 2012 #64

OK...and you know perfectly well I don't admire such people... Ken Burch Oct 2012 #65

It's not just Atzmon. Abunimah and his gang are just as bad.... shira Oct 2012 #67

Israeli Jews are predominantly right wing shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #40

Shhh. nt bemildred Oct 2012 #46

I'm not sure how representative that poll is eyl Oct 2012 #49

They didn't poll Israeli Arabs shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #50

The problem has been that this Israeli government, in particular Ken Burch Oct 2012 #61

At least we agree on wanting Likud out shira Oct 2012 #66

Criticize Hamas and Fatah all you want. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #68

Israel's harshest critics rarely, if ever, criticize them... shira Oct 2012 #69

Actually, yes. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #70

You really think demonization of Israel is the reason.... shira Oct 2012 #71

Religious Zionist parties unite for Knesset campaign azurnoir Oct 2012 #72

Look, even if Meretz won ALL the seats, the anti-zio.... shira Oct 2012 #73

are you making pies with those cherries? azurnoir Oct 2012 #74

If you wish to ignore that anti-zios have 100% absolutely equated Zionism.... shira Oct 2012 #81

luv the way you accuse Palestinians of equating Zionism with Naziism, because it wasn't mentioned azurnoir Oct 2012 #82

More outright denial. shira Oct 2012 #83

last post it was Nazi's now its Phil Weiss who has nothing to do with this either azurnoir Oct 2012 #84

The point is that those bloggers confirm Zionists are bigots/racists... shira Oct 2012 #85

so the red herrings you throw in are facts? The statement was against bigotry azurnoir Oct 2012 #89

It was a bigoted statement against bigotry. A complete joke. shira Oct 2012 #91

more evidence? why do you state your opinion as if it was the absolute truth? azurnoir Oct 2012 #93

It's not opinion. The US State Dept. defines anti-semitism.... shira Oct 2012 #96

the Bush administration used from the EU definition the 'working' one that was actually shelved azurnoir Oct 2012 #104

You may be uncomfortable with the fact these 100+ signatories exposed themselves King_David Oct 2012 #86

Not nearly as 'uncomfortable' as some seem to be with Abunimah condemning Berlin n/t azurnoir Oct 2012 #90

Same difference and level of comfort as if David Duke did it King_David Oct 2012 #92

so "THEY" are all the same azurnoir Oct 2012 #94

It's The Jewish Nation King_David Oct 2012 #95

so you are collectively grouping all Jews as one group, correct? n/t azurnoir Oct 2012 #105

You asked King_David Oct 2012 #107

lol you didn't answer the question azurnoir Oct 2012 #111

Seems you're comfortable with all of Abunimah's Israel=Nazi comparisons shira Oct 2012 #108

seems your making things up but thats okay n/t azurnoir Oct 2012 #112

Seems you're still uncomfortable answering the simplest questions. n/t shira Oct 2012 #115

uncomfortable or not acquiescing ? azurnoir Oct 2012 #116

Does Abunimah count as a Palestinian voice? oberliner Oct 2012 #117

yes he does just as some American Jews consider themselves voices of Israel azurnoir Oct 2012 #118

Some American Jews consider themselves voices of Israel? oberliner Oct 2012 #119

Look around here I am sure you can find some azurnoir Oct 2012 #120

ps I just realized something azurnoir Oct 2012 #75

No, we DON'T all know that. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #78

All the leading anti-zios believe it. So yeah, WE DO KNOW that. shira Oct 2012 #79

The PSC, by your own admission, repudiated Atzmon...so you can't call them his "fans". Ken Burch Oct 2012 #87

PSC supporters (STILL) supporting Atzmon shira Oct 2012 #110

I did NOT say that "demonization of Israel" is the reason for the Occupation or the settlements Ken Burch Oct 2012 #77

If anti-zios criticized Hamas as they should be doing.... shira Oct 2012 #80

You assume Hamas cares about what the world thinks of it. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #88

You assume without support from western enablers.... shira Oct 2012 #97

Actually, I do assume that. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #98

They can be shamed. shira Oct 2012 #99

The Palestinian people aren't responsible for the Hamas leadership...yet they're punished for it. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #100

Are we having the same conversation? You didn't respond to anything... shira Oct 2012 #101

You can't reduce the whole thing to Hamas' feelings about Jews. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #102

When you want to answer me from 2 posts back, let me know. n/t shira Oct 2012 #103

That last post WAS an answer. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #106

No, you threw a red herring at those questions and avoided answering shira Oct 2012 #109

The fatal flaw in your argument remains in place Ken Burch Oct 2012 #113

"This conflict isn't about any feelings Hamas has about Jews"... shira Oct 2012 #114

I believe Hamas may say those things, but the conflict, as you just pointed out in that post. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #121

+1 you are so right n/t azurnoir Oct 2012 #76

Israel really needs sabbat hunter Oct 2012 #6

Agreed oberliner Oct 2012 #8

No, she would not... shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #41

Yes, she would oberliner Oct 2012 #42

And what about the 80% of Israelis who didnt vote for Kadima? shaayecanaan Oct 2012 #44

She got the most votes oberliner Oct 2012 #48

On the other hand eyl Oct 2012 #47

+1000! LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #36

I thought Peres chose him last time. bemildred Oct 2012 #9

Livni probably couldn't have gotten enough parties eyl Oct 2012 #13

That is merely an after-the-fact justification for not giving her a chance. bemildred Oct 2012 #14

I was very disheartened by how that all turned out oberliner Oct 2012 #15

Yep. nt bemildred Oct 2012 #16

no, it's the way our system works eyl Oct 2012 #19

Are you denying he had the choice? bemildred Oct 2012 #20

I believe he tried to convince them to form a unity government oberliner Oct 2012 #22

I think we should leave this. bemildred Oct 2012 #23

Since you asked to drop it eyl Oct 2012 #25

OK. nt bemildred Oct 2012 #30

Ugh; hope not. LeftishBrit Oct 2012 #18

Netanyahu's Likud party only has 27 out of 120 seats? May gain 2. That spells an easy win? leveymg Oct 2012 #26

Yes I don't agree at all oberliner Oct 2012 #27

Just as a practical matter, when Obama is reelected, Bibi has burned his bridges and poisoned the leveymg Oct 2012 #29

If Labor and Lapid's party could form an alliance, that would change the whole dynamic Ken Burch Oct 2012 #53

What polls? oberliner Oct 2012 #55

Here you are(the polls are about halfway down in the article) Ken Burch Oct 2012 #56

Check this out oberliner Oct 2012 #58

My point, more or less(although a Lapid/Labor thing would be better than Lapid/Kadima). Ken Burch Oct 2012 #60

what will determine the outcome in the end is the size of whatever coalition(s) that can be formed azurnoir Oct 2012 #28

the polls predict eyl Oct 2012 #31

"The polls predict" leveymg Oct 2012 #32

I truly hope ALL the "pro-Israel" posters here will do the right thing and call for Likud's defeat Ken Burch Oct 2012 #52

What does that mean? oberliner Oct 2012 #54

only in the electoral sense. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #57

They deserve who they get oberliner Oct 2012 #59