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ellisonz

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11. Here are the old rules:
Wed Dec 7, 2011, 04:14 PM
Dec 2011

I think any new hosting group would enact these policies:

Welcome to the Democratic Underground Israeli/Palestinian Affairs discussion forum. As you know, this is where you may discuss issues surrounding the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians. These can be very emotional issues for many. In order to facilitate rational discourse, we have found it wise to implement a few guidelines to supplement the general DU rules for discussing I/P issues that one will not find elsewhere on the website.

Please take some time to familiarize yourself with the following guidelines. Offending threads will be locked or pulled. Offending posts may be deleted. Those who repeatedly violate these guidelines may be banned. If you are in doubt, please Private Message the forum moderators.

Who is Welcome In the I/P Forum, who is not:

We welcome progressives of all stripes and specifically note the I/P forum has many progressives whose affinity lie on opposite ends of the I/P debate. Do not assume that because someone is Pro-Israeli or Pro-Palestinian they are not progressive. A good rule of thumb for those who will do well are those who are actively seeking a peaceful and respectful settlement and are genuinely interested in a rational discourse of events in the I/P conflict.
If you feel great affinity to groups who are promoting hate in the Middle East such as Kahane, or Hamas; feel there is a Jewish conspiracy governing US foreign policy or control of the media; or believe supporters of Islam or Palestinian Nationalism are terrorists, then you are probably likely to be banned.

Concerning the overall nature of the post:

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General

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I no longer touch this subject on DU nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #1
I only dip in occasionally. ellisonz Dec 2011 #2
That's not correct, Nadin. The tent protests in Israel got covered in the I/P forum... Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Dec 2011 #4
I think it's crucial for this forum to behave responsibly. ellisonz Dec 2011 #8
delete message Scurrilous Dec 2011 #5
Juries are drawn from the broad membership - star and non-star. ellisonz Dec 2011 #10
Agreed RZM Dec 2011 #6
Regarding I/P Posts in other forums? ellisonz Dec 2011 #7
Never posted there much RZM Dec 2011 #9
Here are the old rules: ellisonz Dec 2011 #11
New Rules ... USA_1 Dec 2011 #26
I'm not the host or rule maker dude. ellisonz Dec 2011 #27
I can't find a link to new rules for this group Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #29
This is not true oberliner Dec 2011 #53
how does the host thing work? Mosby Dec 2011 #12
I applied to be temp host. Scurrilous Dec 2011 #13
All this temp hosting... ellisonz Dec 2011 #14
thx for the info Mosby Dec 2011 #15
Have you tried the different formats in My Account? ellisonz Dec 2011 #17
I'll try that, thx nt Mosby Dec 2011 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Dec 2011 #18
I'll mess around with it and see, thx! nt Mosby Dec 2011 #20
I've had the same sort of issues with my iPhone... Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #21
thx for the info Mosby Dec 2011 #16
Gee, Scurrilous Owlet Dec 2011 #28
Thanks. Scurrilous Dec 2011 #38
Just like beauty ... King_David Dec 2011 #84
''one of the most divisive topics on DU'' USA_1 Dec 2011 #22
These are not 'new rules' LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #23
Thanks For Your Reply USA_1 Dec 2011 #25
Lemme guess - you define 'informed and civil' Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #30
Haaretz USA_1 Dec 2011 #37
Name me a liberal Israeli source then, please. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #39
Do A Google Search USA_1 Dec 2011 #40
I am quite familiar with the news outlets Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #41
I should add - it is easy to wholesale demonize a people Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #43
Pro Israel Demonize Me All The Time! USA_1 Dec 2011 #49
we don't demonize you... pelsar Dec 2011 #52
''we won't demonize you'' USA_1 Dec 2011 #58
Interesting. Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #77
demonization USA_1 Dec 2011 #79
You do get that rense is a blog and JPost is a news organization, right? Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #81
Fox is "news media" as well USA_1 Dec 2011 #86
it's like the twilight zone here sometimes Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #82
''Link it up please.'' USA_1 Dec 2011 #87
really? Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #88
Rense USA_1 Dec 2011 #90
Now you want to exclude the New York Times as 'Islamophobic'? Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #91
I said "include" not exclude USA_1 Dec 2011 #93
English is my first language Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #100
''amusing" USA_1 Dec 2011 #103
Their pro Israel slant must be the reason for the ongoing pissing match Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #105
why are you waffling? Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #108
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #112
Sounds like a quote from NK USA_1 Dec 2011 #115
Is that meant to reinforce NK? Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #117
NK's view on Zionism are based on the Bible USA_1 Dec 2011 #118
OK, let's make this simple... Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #114
You think Satmar and Neturei Karta are liberal? oberliner Dec 2011 #51
Those Are Anti-Zionist Jews USA_1 Dec 2011 #59
They are anti-Zionist, but not liberal or progressive oberliner Dec 2011 #64
You Are Correct USA_1 Dec 2011 #65
Being Jewish does not mean you can't be a Jew-hater oberliner Dec 2011 #67
''opposing Zionism does not in and of itself make one a "Jew hater". '' USA_1 Dec 2011 #69
"Israel's Defenders" Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #71
''Israel will only be restored when Messiah arrives. '' USA_1 Dec 2011 #73
Zionists don't believe what you say they believe oberliner Dec 2011 #75
... exclusionism ... USA_1 Dec 2011 #76
Check out this blog oberliner Dec 2011 #78
Tikkun Olam USA_1 Dec 2011 #80
seriously? Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #110
Antisemitism/Jew-hatred is a pyschological problem oberliner Dec 2011 #74
I think the reality of the issues at hand are getting muddied here. Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #83
I hear this charge a lot. Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #109
When you stand on a stage, hand in hand in solidarity with David Duke Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #66
''hand in hand with David Duke'' USA_1 Dec 2011 #68
It happened in Iran at the Holocaust Revisionist Conference in 2006 Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #70
''hand in hand'' USA_1 Dec 2011 #72
I want to thank you... holdencaufield Dec 2011 #85
... hopefully as a One State Solution USA_1 Dec 2011 #89
Psst - thinking single state isn't on the kashrut/halal list... Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #92
Those Whistling Dixie In 1865 Didn't Believe In A One State Solution USA_1 Dec 2011 #94
Yours is a pro-war position. The vast majority of Israelis and Palestinians... shira Dec 2011 #95
The vast majority of Palestinians would favor a one-state solution. bemildred Dec 2011 #96
Not a secular state... shira Dec 2011 #97
Don't change the subject. bemildred Dec 2011 #98
FYI, about the majority of Palestinians wanting sharia rule under a dictatorship... shira Dec 2011 #99
Do they keep lists of those obscure 30-year-old polls somewhere handy for when they are needed? bemildred Dec 2011 #101
The point is, most Israelis and Palestinians are against one secular state. n/t shira Dec 2011 #102
Your Delusionalism USA_1 Dec 2011 #104
You are comparing Israelis and Palestinians to North and South Vietnamese? oberliner Dec 2011 #106
Did you see upthread where she compared the conflict to the US Civil war? Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #107
They are hardly similar. Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #111
Peace Now are still active; and are ardent two-staters who wouldn't support much of what you say LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #113
Kudos to Peace Now For At Least Trying to Bring About Reconciliation USA_1 Dec 2011 #116
Ha'aretz is not a right-wing source. LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #42
Libertarians USA_1 Dec 2011 #50
But libertarians would *not* use the money saved from 'foreign wars' to solve American domestic LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #55
''help the rich'' USA_1 Dec 2011 #57
What I mean is that the right-wing think that the rich should have untrammeled rights to make money LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #60
Ironic. Avigdor Lieberman is not even close to being as extreme as Ron Paul. n/t shira Dec 2011 #61
I would agree with that - but then neither is Genghis Khan LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #62
''untrammeled rights to make money '' USA_1 Dec 2011 #63
As Ruby's already said, Ha'aretz is anything but an extreme RW source... Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #44
Arutz sheva isn't merely a RW source. It's extremely bigoted Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #31
Good point - but in which direction? Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #32
I don't care what side they're on Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #33
And that is why this conflict has never been resolved. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Dec 2011 #24
Where can one find the new rules for this group? oberliner Dec 2011 #35
This forum has yet to organized. ellisonz Dec 2011 #36
A question... Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #45
Well I think if you were to compare... ellisonz Dec 2011 #46
Yeah, I'm in agreement with you on that... Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #47
Yep ellisonz Dec 2011 #48
I hope that there is a process oberliner Dec 2011 #54
I think this could be done. ellisonz Dec 2011 #56
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