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Shaktimaan

(5,397 posts)
39. you are confused...
Fri Nov 2, 2012, 03:20 PM
Nov 2012

I imagine because you failed to read all of the pertinent information.

Parsing the definition out we see some important signifiers. First off, the act has to be "inhuman." The Rome Statute's definition clarified this to mean "a crime against humanity." So right off the bat these examples fail to meet the criteria. Crimes against humanity are things like genocide, systematic rape, murder and so on. Not allowing Palestinians to live in settlements? Not on the list.

Now comes the thing that really kills your argument...

To qualify as apartheid these inhuman acts MUST be "committed for the purpose of establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them." In other words, were the settlements built for the sole purpose of systematically oppressing Palestinians? Of course not. Those settlements were built because the settlers want the land and believe they have a legitimate claim to it. At any rate, settlement construction is about the land, NOT about wanting to dominate the Palestinians. If the settlers had their way, all of the Palestinians would not even be there. If the Palestinians do get oppressed it is out of a desire to claim the land.

Lastly... establishing and maintaining domination by one racial group of persons over any other racial group of persons and systematically oppressing them.

Neither Israelis nor Palestinians are racial groups. In fact, every type of racial group that make up the Palestinian nation is also represented in Israel, where they face no oppression whatsoever and in fact ARE allowed to go live on a settlement if they so choose. This is kind of the key thing about apartheid. I'm surprised to see you ignoring it without even attempting to justify this flaw in your argument.

Apartheid is segregation.


Is it? Since when? Because none of your definitions support that belief.

I wonder why you fail to see the obvious.


Because I understand that specific words have specific meanings. You claim is only obvious if you disregard the meaning of the definition you posted.

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Are you going to post all of 972mag's articles individually? oberliner Oct 2012 #1
Silence to the present acts of brutality. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #2
'apartheid state '? King_David Oct 2012 #3
Anybody hiding from that term shows more about themselves than fact. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #5
Maybe... Shaktimaan Oct 2012 #19
Actually your hypothesis is off. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #26
The obvious problem... Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #27
So I see that you are on to number two already. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #29
a more sensible approach... Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #30
Let's try again since you ignored this. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #32
Sure. Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #34
Officially legitimize them quickly? An illegal settlement outside of Israel proper? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #37
you are confused... Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #39
Proof of Palestinians living in settlements... shira Nov 2012 #81
Now then... Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #35
Does this objection to words only apply when they're aimed at Israel? Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #54
Regarding use of the term "apartheid?" Yes. More or less. Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #58
Singling Israel out... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #71
Violet, if Israeli policies vs. Palestinians are reminiscent of apartheid... shira Nov 2012 #80
you mean like Desmond Tutu? azurnoir Oct 2012 #7
Tutu has his own issues recently King_David Oct 2012 #13
of course I do and it really doesn't seem much of a problem except for those who wish very very very azurnoir Nov 2012 #28
Umm , so ? nt King_David Nov 2012 #31
Silence is not speaking out oberliner Oct 2012 #4
I would expect no less. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2012 #6
That's great oberliner Oct 2012 #11
Thanks. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #33
You want the best for Israel by demonizing it as King_David Nov 2012 #36
If you are so incline you may keep on drinking the kool-aid then, King D. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #38
Try stick to the topic and not King_David Nov 2012 #41
I have kept to the topic even when Shsktimaan tried to dance away from it. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #44
Israel the Apartheid State : King_David Nov 2012 #47
Keep on laughing, King D. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #48
about your quote azurnoir Nov 2012 #49
Not Apartheid ? King_David Nov 2012 #51
Aint gonna happen King_David Nov 2012 #50
I'm glad you can feel confident to double down on the language of "Jewish state." R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #52
You really are clueless aren't you ? King_David Nov 2012 #55
No, you're just willfully blind. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #60
You do not know much Jewish or Hebrew do you? King_David Nov 2012 #69
Take your fake outrage somplace else, King D. Alright? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #72
Well you denied The Jewish State King_David Nov 2012 #73
Yes, you are wrong, again. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #84
"foolish" ? King_David Nov 2012 #85
Thanks. It just worked wonders, KD. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #86
It implies no such thing. Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #74
The problem with yr Italy and Italian thing... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #75
What about Macedonia? oberliner Nov 2012 #76
No problem. It's just semantics. Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #82
Of course, you do realize that... Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #62
well yes you've certainly spoken out I'll give you that azurnoir Oct 2012 #8
Have you considered walking the walk as well as talking the talk? oberliner Oct 2012 #12
People can criticise Israel without having been to the West Bank... Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #16
It was just a question oberliner Nov 2012 #56
Sure, it was just an innocent conversational travel question n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #70
No it wasn't oberliner Nov 2012 #77
you did not answer the question I asked about Desmond Tutu he's been there azurnoir Oct 2012 #17
He definitely acts on his convictions oberliner Nov 2012 #78
Does it matter that this is from 972mag? Ken Burch Nov 2012 #87
There was a time when the Israeli govt condemned these attacks... Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #9
No there wasn't oberliner Oct 2012 #10
Yes there was. Olmert condemned the attacks... Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #14
Five attacks on olive harvesters and damaged olive groves in four days Violet_Crumble Oct 2012 #15
seeing as how this happens virtually every olive harvest azurnoir Oct 2012 #18
They prepared very well for standing idly by and doing nothing to stop it... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #23
New Video Shows Palestinians, Left Wing Activists Cutting Down Olive Trees shira Oct 2012 #20
black op Zionist Jews, King_David Oct 2012 #21
Keep on laughing if you will. Too bad the video R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #45
I think we have different sense of humours , King_David Nov 2012 #46
so that's what the algeminer calls clearing brush azurnoir Nov 2012 #22
I wonder if ones like that can't see the difference between settlers and the landowners... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #24
Video: Hebron settlers and the olive harvest Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #25
How long until the legitimacy of this video is called into question? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #40
It wouldn't surprise me if it already has been... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #42
I'm not sure why 1+1 doesn't add up to the desired 2 for some. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #43
I think that some people get so wrapped up in their 'cause' that they get blind to a lot... Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #53
If it's Friday, it must be Mondoweiss! oberliner Nov 2012 #57
Or It's friday, and another denier laughs at the truth. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #59
have you noticed... Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #64
Can you refute the story? Do you care about the truth? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #66
Of course I care about the truth. Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #67
Seriously? Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #61
I find your tapdance increasingly irrelevant. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #63
That's funny. Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #65
No... it's not that... Shaktimaan Nov 2012 #68
Disgusting child abuse nt Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #83
WATCH: Israelis lend a hand in the West Bank olive harvest Violet_Crumble Nov 2012 #79
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