Israel/Palestine

shira

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11. Israel's the worst, except for every other nation, right? n/t

Reply to Jefferson23 (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 5, 2012, 11:19 AM

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Stop ignoring the facts about Cast Lead [View all] shira Jan 2012 OP

Good catch sellitman Jan 2012 #1

When the facts... holdencaufield Jan 2012 #2

Israel/Gaza: Operation "Cast Lead": 22 days of death and destruction Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #3

hyperbole anyone?.....i mean this really takes the cake pelsar Jan 2012 #4

It was not unprecedented by the Israeli government in that area pelsar..you're Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #5

I wrote my earlier response wrong, lol..sorry. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #6

if you want to "localize" the word pelsar Jan 2012 #10

The IDF didn't tippy toe, did they? I need to post more reports you'll Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #15

actually it is infact not that relevant..... pelsar Jan 2012 #44

Before we go any further regarding your response, are you suggesting Israel Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #58

Laws of war WRT military occupation? Gaza isn't occupied. shira Jan 2012 #62

Your assertion is false, as the collective reports reflect. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #65

It's not me, Hamas says there's no occupation. All this bullshit you're C&P'ing..... shira Jan 2012 #77

I already answered you earlier, your "proof" is unsupported regarding the IDF. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #80

So Hamas is wrong when they say Gaza is no longer occupied, right? n/t shira Jan 2012 #83

Try and think about what was actually stated by Hamas and why. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #85

Why don't you be clear and tell us what YOU think Hamas actually stated and why? shira Jan 2012 #86

NINE edits, and you still have posted nothing that changes the conclusions by the ICJ. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #105

UN precedent alone WRT Libya is enough to prove you wrong... shira Jan 2012 #109

yes, i believe israel is bound by the convention... pelsar Jan 2012 #68

You reject the ICJ opinion, as they are fashioned after a colonial style court in Europe? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #70

Any knowledgeable party rejects the false premise that Israel "occupies" Gaza vminfla Jan 2012 #71

Her opinion versus a collective body of international law jurists? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #72

So when Hamas says Gaza is not occupied, King_David Jan 2012 #73

White people? Why are you speaking about this issue from a racial perspective? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #74

Jurists or effete milquetoasts? vminfla Jan 2012 #75

Your comments are at best, sad and are made without prior knowledge of the subject...the ICJ. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #76

i reject the ICJ opinion... pelsar Jan 2012 #131

A bunch of colonialists that have problems with geography..so you say...which makes no sense at all. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #138

i asked you, not some internet site..... pelsar Jan 2012 #140

The information I posted for you..you're correct...it is not some internet Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #144

on the contrary ..its is very very very wise.... pelsar Jan 2012 #146

You'd be in a position to argue your assertion about the court Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #148

you confuse laws and interpretations of the laws... pelsar Jan 2012 #150

Imo, you have a lack of understanding Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #151

the UN disagrees with you.... pelsar Jan 2012 #153

Ignore the entire Egyptian border, because the freedom Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #155

seems HRW disagrees.... pelsar Jan 2012 #158

Shared responsibility means Israel is not the occupying power Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #159

Depends on how you define unprecedented vminfla Jan 2012 #9

And yet, the civilian to combatant kill ratio is better than any other modern Western military... shira Jan 2012 #7

The kill ratio..you use that word combination, often. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #8

Israel's the worst, except for every other nation, right? n/t shira Jan 2012 #11

Your words not mine. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #17

implying...? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #12

The implication is obvious. Israel transcends all other nations in limiting civilian casualties vminfla Jan 2012 #13

I meant Jefferson's implication. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #14

Debate what? My comments are to another poster, you want to defend, explain her Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #16

I was asking you what you meant. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #18

I'm not interested in what you imagine..I posted my observation Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #19

She offered data vminfla Jan 2012 #20

To you they are..I know this. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #21

To anyone with a fundamental understanding of 3rd grade ratios, yes. vminfla Jan 2012 #22

I'd agree you have a third grade understanding of the conflict, yes I would. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #23

So you think... Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #27

In relation to Kemp? Post #3. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #30

So... nothing then? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #34

Two things, the entire report does not support Kemp..read it. Two, what evidence Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #35

Israel was an examplar to military combat in urban populations vminfla Jan 2012 #36

unsubstantiated? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #24

It's not about the facts, it's about the meme vminfla Jan 2012 #26

You can read post #3, if you like. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #29

Arabs fired rockets and mortar shells at Israel, with the declared purpose of striking civilians vminfla Jan 2012 #32

You can re-read post 19 again, if you like. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #28

Why? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #33

Obliterated my observation of another posters words? No. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #37

Yep, no one saw this coming vminfla Jan 2012 #38

You have an active imagination and duly noted you supported OCL. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #39

Operation Cast Lead saved lives vminfla Jan 2012 #54

Apparently many more Israelis need to die b/c the IDF can't be perfect in response. n/t shira Jan 2012 #56

It appears the main argument against OCL is that not enough Israelis died. vminfla Jan 2012 #60

It's not even that. If 10,000 Israelis are killed, the IDF is still expected to be perfect. shira Jan 2012 #78

No. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #40

Do you realize the flaws in his assertions, on any level?? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #41

obliterated what reports? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #42

You stated you had obliterated the reports from the human rights groups with Kemp, no? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #43

Despite what reports say, the fact remains that in OCL, the ratio of civilians to combatants killed shira Jan 2012 #53

Despite the reports? You're funny...ignore the reports and focus on Kemp. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #59

what the reports say pelsar Jan 2012 #61

This is what you offer to counter all the reports? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #63

its quite simple.... pelsar Jan 2012 #67

I keep reading in this thread about third grade, and it is not bolstering Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #69

huh? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #88

i love it...this has got to be one of the more ridiculous articles/posts i've seen in a long time... pelsar Jan 2012 #130

You assumed you understood, that part is correct. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #139

i agree....Deterrence at any cost is unjustifiable pelsar Jan 2012 #141

AI offers opinion, not facts vminfla Jan 2012 #64

lol. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #66

So you don't believe Israel's record WRT civilians vs. combatants.... shira Jan 2012 #79

You're confused..you offered this OP to support your assertion...it was Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #81

The OP hasn't been discredited. Hamas even admitted that at least half of all casualties.... shira Jan 2012 #82

I'm not going to repeat myself over and over..you reject multiple Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #84

So you have nothing. Israel's military is better than any other WRT civilians... shira Jan 2012 #87

OK... Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #91

I need to explain where his work is flawed? What work would that be? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #104

wow....i'm glad to hear we don't need our tanks.... pelsar Jan 2012 #143

I had previously asked you and you acknowledged Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #145

your right.... pelsar Jan 2012 #147

Why do you even imagine that you have an argument Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #149

UN security council declares gaza not occupied.... pelsar Jan 2012 #152

Game playing pelsar. You are aware you posted an opinion Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #154

"When we pillaged your village, we killed fewer of you JackRiddler Jan 2012 #98

"After we took thousands of your rockets..." is more like it, right? n/t shira Jan 2012 #100

here's your key error. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #89

Well said, Shakti. n/t shira Jan 2012 #93

None of this stat play matters if the war was illegitimate in the first place. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #101

are you asserting that Israel Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #113

No, I am asserting Israel has no right to massacre its captive population... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #115

how does Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #118

Gaza remains occupied territory. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #119

nope Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #121

The facts about OCL speak for themselves azurnoir Jan 2012 #25

Thou art exactly right... shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #31

it was a turkey shoot...and will be again if need be pelsar Jan 2012 #47

something else I've been averaging numbers azurnoir Jan 2012 #51

hahahaha Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #52

let's take a peek at the numbers azurnoir Jan 2012 #55

is this one of those: if its an afghan body it must be a taliban militant? pelsar Jan 2012 #57

is that ratio consistent? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #90

I have often wondered that myself... shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #92

Kemp is comparing Israel to other nations involved in assymetric warfare. Comparisons are to... shira Jan 2012 #94

Just about every assertion made in this post is false. shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #95

Here's an article citing a study that says you couldn't be more wrong... shira Jan 2012 #96

Oooh Green Left I am impressed let's see wha the say about OCL should be fun azurnoir Jan 2012 #102

The source is irrelevant as they cited a study showing the Brits killed far more civilians... shira Jan 2012 #103

so "Leftists" are good when you think they back you but bad when they don't? azurnoir Jan 2012 #107

I'm as unimpressed with the far Left as I am the far Right.... shira Jan 2012 #114

ah shira I've been folowing the entire thread including reply #112 azurnoir Jan 2012 #116

"pro-British forces" would seem to include mainly Loyalist militias, rather than the British Army shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #106

You're wrong. Admit it and move on... shira Jan 2012 #108

Please. No one here regards you as credible... shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #110

You're wrong and it has nothing to do with my credibility... shira Jan 2012 #111

Actually, that table says that British forces killed a total of 150 non-civilians... shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #112

It's not just the British Army.... shira Jan 2012 #117

Re shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #120

Come on, these are horrible comparisons... shira Jan 2012 #122

More bald assertions... shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #123

Let's just go with Proxy bombers for now... shira Jan 2012 #125

Alright... shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #126

Wrong? How so? shira Jan 2012 #127

You wrote: shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #128

yes....we've learned... pelsar Jan 2012 #45

yes of course and when destroying mosques what better time to chose azurnoir Jan 2012 #46

bomb depots get to be bombed.... pelsar Jan 2012 #48

and apparently for Israeli forces the most appropiate time azurnoir Jan 2012 #49

maybe they were all plastic sex dolls pelsar Jan 2012 #50

Bizarroland statistical play cannot hide the stench of death JackRiddler Jan 2012 #97

No other nation would take thousands of rockets over a 6 year span... shira Jan 2012 #99

Israel broke the cease fire? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #124

you should respect and listen to the "brown people".... pelsar Jan 2012 #129

I am not a Hamas spokesperson. Are you someone's spokesperson? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #132

So riddle us this one since Gaza is seemingly still occupied... shira Jan 2012 #133

Israel has no rights as an "occupying power." JackRiddler Jan 2012 #134

If the Gaza occupation were illegal, there'd be no need for UNSCR 242.... shira Jan 2012 #135

Amazing how force can translate into a theater of law and diplomacy, isn't it? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #136

Again, the UNSC drafted 242. Israel didn't force them to do that. There's nothing... shira Jan 2012 #137

i just have a basic respect for the governing body of gaza and their opinion...clearly you don't. pelsar Jan 2012 #142

Three years since Operation Cast Lead: Israeli military utterly failed to investigate itself Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #156

Here's the thing about OCL azurnoir Jan 2012 #157