Israel/Palestine

holdencaufield

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78. I'm a zionist Jew ...

Sat Dec 1, 2012, 02:33 AM

Dec 2012

... And I post here regularly and I have never called for the demonization, humiliation, oppression, ethnic cleansing, killing or delegitimization of Palestinians.

To the contrary, I - like most Zionists - pray for the day when the leaders of Hamas and Fatah get over this destructive dream of getting rid of Israel and get down to negotiating a permanent peace with Israel and building a prosperous state.

I, Like the vast majority of Israelis, look forward to helping the Palestinians build that state.

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Palestinians win upgraded UN status by wide margin [View all] Scurrilous Nov 2012 OP

It's about time they had that status. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Nov 2012 #1

yep K&R azurnoir Nov 2012 #2

The only appropriate move, really... regnaD kciN Nov 2012 #3

Good first step. Let us hope that this is the beginning of a peaceful and prosperous state... LeftishBrit Nov 2012 #4

Agreed Lithos Nov 2012 #55

This poses a huge risk for the Palestinians hack89 Nov 2012 #5

well keep your fingers crossed n/t azurnoir Nov 2012 #6

Hamas is part of the PA, and Gaza is part of Palestine Scootaloo Nov 2012 #8

The UN bid was made by the PLO not the PA. nt King_David Nov 2012 #11

well for one that posts here so often I am surprised you do not understand what the PLO and PA are azurnoir Nov 2012 #24

PA includes Hamas in legislature King_David Nov 2012 #27

no Hamas has not been part of the PA since June of 2007 azurnoir Nov 2012 #29

Legally yes Hamas is a part of it , King_David Nov 2012 #30

no Hamas is not part of the PA legally or otherwise that's what azurnoir Nov 2012 #31

I guess just posting on an internet forum is not enough, King_David Nov 2012 #32

lol no Hamas is not part of the PA at the current time azurnoir Nov 2012 #34

Sigh , King_David Nov 2012 #37

Abbas and Hamas are locked in a violent struggle hack89 Nov 2012 #12

no Hamas is not part of the PA at least not since June of 2007 azurnoir Nov 2012 #25

Actually, Dave is right on this (I know, it's wild!) Scootaloo Nov 2012 #39

Ha ha King_David Nov 2012 #44

lol team mates eh? but still here it is from a source you would trust azurnoir Nov 2012 #57

well it seems odd but a couple of years back when it suited the needs at the time azurnoir Nov 2012 #56

I don't usually stop over to this group, but I just wanted to Skidmore Nov 2012 #7

Because it recognizes Palestine as a state without forcing it to give handouts to Israel Scootaloo Nov 2012 #9

A Zionist's wet dream KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #10

Sounds familiar , heard this before : King_David Nov 2012 #13

Not all jews are Zionists, Thank God. KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #14

Why do you repeatedly put "Jews" in lowercase? oberliner Nov 2012 #16

Your screed is irrelevant and BS , if you talk about Zionists as a "people" King_David Nov 2012 #17

Not all Zionists are Jews. This isn't a complicated point, you know? KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #18

No it's you who don't get it, King_David Nov 2012 #19

Le Sigh. KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #21

Really? ''I'm not talking about them as a PEOPLE'' King_David Nov 2012 #22

Do you make it a habit of twisting people's words? KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #28

'And we're done. ' King_David Nov 2012 #33

King Dave believes he has authority to declare people non-Jews Scootaloo Nov 2012 #40

This shit needs to stop... shira Nov 2012 #42

Well, here he is feeling he has authority to declare Hassidics non-Jews; Scootaloo Nov 2012 #46

You do know the difference between Hassidic Jews in general King_David Nov 2012 #48

Oh, I know. But you still lack any authority to question their Jewishness Scootaloo Nov 2012 #49

How did I do that? King_David Nov 2012 #53

Seriously? The Neturei Karta are considered whackadoodles by Hassids. shira Nov 2012 #59

And that's a fair argument to make, Shira Scootaloo Dec 2012 #74

Hypocrisy, thy name is... shaayecanaan Dec 2012 #104

Here is your proof, or at least a pointer........ kayecy Dec 2012 #106

I hate Arabs ? King_David Nov 2012 #47

I meant "Israel Supporters" in general Scootaloo Nov 2012 #50

Go for it, King_David Nov 2012 #51

Sure thing Scootaloo Nov 2012 #52

I had a 3 month fling with an Arab dude 2 years ago... King_David Nov 2012 #54

Actually yes, that is pretty much the same thing. Scootaloo Dec 2012 #75

Apology accepted, King_David Dec 2012 #77

Jews who are zionist or at least sympathetic to Israel are by far..... shira Nov 2012 #38

Lines that make me go hmmm... Scootaloo Nov 2012 #41

Riiiiiight. Want to back that claim up? shira Nov 2012 #43

I would respond by pointing out you're full of shit. Scootaloo Nov 2012 #45

Scootaloo, you are impressive! KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #60

"I've never seen such a thorough dragging on DU. " King_David Nov 2012 #65

Yes, you're so right. KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #69

Well that's my response to your accusations shira Nov 2012 #63

I'm a zionist Jew ... holdencaufield Dec 2012 #78

What ignorant bloody crap. aquart Dec 2012 #76

Actually, her description doesn't even include all Zionists. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #62

Who cares? She described Zionists as " bloodthirsty " King_David Nov 2012 #67

I'm not actually defending her, by the way. Ken Burch Nov 2012 #71

good King_David Nov 2012 #72

Do you understand the history at all behind the Zionist movement? oberliner Nov 2012 #15

Sure. KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #20

Lot of bullshit in that response shira Nov 2012 #35

Cut and paste KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #61

Translated: You got nothing. Typical. n/t shira Nov 2012 #64

So tedious. *yawn* KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #66

"You've used that recycled mess of a youtube video how many times now"? shira Nov 2012 #68

It's the go to video with you lot. KimonoGirl Nov 2012 #70

Here's the problem with folks like yourself... shira Dec 2012 #80

*sigh* Neverending... blah with you. KimonoGirl Dec 2012 #95

You are justifying terror (Palestinian so-called resistance / war crimes) vs. innocents shira Dec 2012 #97

Your post Title is utter BULLCRAP. Just so ya know. KimonoGirl Dec 2012 #98

No,it's not. Here's the proof.... shira Dec 2012 #99

You are a certified FLOP. KimonoGirl Dec 2012 #100

Ad hominems are about all you've got. shira Dec 2012 #101

so IOW Israel is not responsible for its own actions azurnoir Dec 2012 #102

Geneva Law says the party shielding themselves is responsible for their deaths... shira Dec 2012 #103

well then in that case then Jerusalem Dimona and Tel Aviv azurnoir Dec 2012 #105

Jerusalem & Tel Aviv are legit targets......why? shira Dec 2012 #107

all three have military/government targets azurnoir Dec 2012 #109

More Pro-Israeli-Terrorism cheerleading from you. KimonoGirl Dec 2012 #108

Kimono, do you agree it's a war crime for Hamas to shield themselves.... shira Dec 2012 #110

Hamas' methods of warfare are completely WRONG KimonoGirl Dec 2012 #111

But Hamas is not shielding themselves & victimizing Palestinians in your view? shira Dec 2012 #113

They do bare blame. They are a f***ing terrorist group! KimonoGirl Dec 2012 #114

They bear the blame due to shielding, correct? When the IDF targets Hamas.... shira Dec 2012 #115

Because an independent Palestine would be armed and able to defend its land and people Recursion Nov 2012 #36

An armed Palestine would be reduced to smoking rubble hack89 Dec 2012 #81

A legitimized Hizballah did pretty well Recursion Dec 2012 #82

Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #83

Racism doesn't help Recursion Dec 2012 #84

Hamas does not represent the majority of Palestinians hack89 Dec 2012 #85

So you just pretend they didn't stop launching rockets for years? Recursion Dec 2012 #86

And once they acquired more powerful weapons they started again. hack89 Dec 2012 #87

Calling the capture of POWs "kidnapping" is kind of silly, but OK Recursion Dec 2012 #88

POWs implies war - is Hamas waging war against Israel? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #89

Yes. Blockades are acts of war, too. They are at war. (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #91

So then let them fight it out. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #93

The blockade began because the rockets never completely stopped. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #90

I have a bridge to sell you (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #92

You just said that Hamas is waging war against Israel hack89 Dec 2012 #94

Are you serious? Shaktimaan Dec 2012 #112

Hizballah did not do very well by any military standard. Dick Dastardly Dec 2012 #116

Three cheers for Palestine! R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2012 #23

Now if they could only have a homeland! Walk away Nov 2012 #26

seems like some here are tasting the grapes and finding quite sour n/t azurnoir Nov 2012 #58

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about. holdencaufield Nov 2012 #73

The US supports Israel at the UNGA but then gets kicked in the teeth....... kayecy Dec 2012 #79

Netanyahu needs to go oberliner Dec 2012 #96