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In reply to the discussion: Stop ignoring the facts about Cast Lead [View all]shira
(30,109 posts)96. Here's an article citing a study that says you couldn't be more wrong...
IRELAND: Civilians the main targets
BELFAST In what is being hailed as "the most comprehensive study to date" of Troubles-related deaths, an April 1999 University of Ulster study confirms what has long been hidden by British propaganda and complicit media: pro-British forces have been responsible for the vast majority of civilian deaths in the six counties during "the Troubles".
Data in the new study also confirm the fact that the Irish Republican Army was waging war against the British state forces, while the British and their supporters waged a war of terror against the Irish civilian population.
The study, "Northern Ireland's Troubles: The Human Costs", shatters carefully cultivated British mythology of the "British army as protector" of nationalist communities. Data prove clearly that pro-British combatants in the six counties more often than not kill unarmed civilians, not armed combatants.
Pro-British forces, according to the data section, "Mapping Troubles-Related Deaths", have killed nearly 10 times as many unarmed civilians as they have killed members of republican military forces.
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http://www.greenleft.org.au/node/22548
The 1:30 ratio was during one year of a 10 year period. At other times the ratio was 1:10. In OCL it was 1:1, just as it was back in 2002-03 when Israel had to invade the W.Bank due to Intifada 2.
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It was not unprecedented by the Israeli government in that area pelsar..you're
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#5
Before we go any further regarding your response, are you suggesting Israel
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#58
It's not me, Hamas says there's no occupation. All this bullshit you're C&P'ing.....
shira
Jan 2012
#77
I already answered you earlier, your "proof" is unsupported regarding the IDF.
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#80
NINE edits, and you still have posted nothing that changes the conclusions by the ICJ.
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#105
You reject the ICJ opinion, as they are fashioned after a colonial style court in Europe?
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#70
White people? Why are you speaking about this issue from a racial perspective?
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#74
Your comments are at best, sad and are made without prior knowledge of the subject...the ICJ.
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#76
A bunch of colonialists that have problems with geography..so you say...which makes no sense at all.
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#138
The information I posted for you..you're correct...it is not some internet
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#144
And yet, the civilian to combatant kill ratio is better than any other modern Western military...
shira
Jan 2012
#7
The implication is obvious. Israel transcends all other nations in limiting civilian casualties
vminfla
Jan 2012
#13
Debate what? My comments are to another poster, you want to defend, explain her
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#16
I'd agree you have a third grade understanding of the conflict, yes I would. n/t
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#23
Two things, the entire report does not support Kemp..read it. Two, what evidence
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#35
Arabs fired rockets and mortar shells at Israel, with the declared purpose of striking civilians
vminfla
Jan 2012
#32
Apparently many more Israelis need to die b/c the IDF can't be perfect in response. n/t
shira
Jan 2012
#56
It's not even that. If 10,000 Israelis are killed, the IDF is still expected to be perfect.
shira
Jan 2012
#78
You stated you had obliterated the reports from the human rights groups with Kemp, no?
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#43
Despite what reports say, the fact remains that in OCL, the ratio of civilians to combatants killed
shira
Jan 2012
#53
i love it...this has got to be one of the more ridiculous articles/posts i've seen in a long time...
pelsar
Jan 2012
#130
The OP hasn't been discredited. Hamas even admitted that at least half of all casualties....
shira
Jan 2012
#82
None of this stat play matters if the war was illegitimate in the first place.
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#101
No, I am asserting Israel has no right to massacre its captive population...
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#115
Kemp is comparing Israel to other nations involved in assymetric warfare. Comparisons are to...
shira
Jan 2012
#94
The source is irrelevant as they cited a study showing the Brits killed far more civilians...
shira
Jan 2012
#103
"pro-British forces" would seem to include mainly Loyalist militias, rather than the British Army
shaayecanaan
Jan 2012
#106
Actually, that table says that British forces killed a total of 150 non-civilians...
shaayecanaan
Jan 2012
#112
Amazing how force can translate into a theater of law and diplomacy, isn't it?
JackRiddler
Jan 2012
#136
Again, the UNSC drafted 242. Israel didn't force them to do that. There's nothing...
shira
Jan 2012
#137
i just have a basic respect for the governing body of gaza and their opinion...clearly you don't.
pelsar
Jan 2012
#142
Three years since Operation Cast Lead: Israeli military utterly failed to investigate itself
Jefferson23
Jan 2012
#156