Israel/Palestine

shira

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22. Did you read what Noam Sheizaf wrote just last week? See #17.

Tue Feb 19, 2013, 10:27 PM

Feb 2013

That's what the OP and what this discussion is all about.

It's a fact.

The truth, as you would call it.

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What do you think about Mr. Sheizaf now? He's your hero from +972. Your favorite, best ever source for I/P news....

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Who Really Cares About the Palestinians? [View all] shira Feb 2013 OP

Good points, true points, but JoDog Feb 2013 #1

They can flame on in denial all they wish. Let's see them dispute the argument. n/t shira Feb 2013 #2

Syrian leaders should face justice at ICC, UN says azurnoir Feb 2013 #3

I find it curious that some would suggest that nobody cares for the Palestinians R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #4

"too busy reading blog posts to lift a finger to be bothered to find the truth" oberliner Feb 2013 #6

Imagine the silence WRT all these dead Palestinians in Syria had they died at the hands of Israel shira Feb 2013 #8

Some excuses from the 972mag-ers oberliner Feb 2013 #10

From your article, Noam Sheizaf of 972 agrees with the OP above... shira Feb 2013 #17

Hard to really understand where he is coming from there oberliner Feb 2013 #39

The site in general.... shira Feb 2013 #43

I do not entirely agree oberliner Feb 2013 #143

You should have posted a little of what Noam Sheizaf had written. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #28

I did. And he agrees with the OP, which is beyond factual dispute.... shira Feb 2013 #31

lol azurnoir Feb 2013 #35

LOL @ you guys trying so hard to distract with red herrings. n/t shira Feb 2013 #36

Translation. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #59

No dissembling "look over there" red herrings, please. Why not just admit the OP is correct.... shira Feb 2013 #61

Translation. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #69

Translation. You stick to the topic first before attempting to derail it. n/t shira Feb 2013 #71

Translation. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #74

As I wrote, I'll answer anything once you guys decide to debate the actual OP. n/t shira Feb 2013 #75

Azurnoir's question still stands, and this is the third time you have run away from it. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #84

Why should I answer red herrings and go off-track before discussing the subject at hand? n/t shira Feb 2013 #86

Well, you have admitted that you *cherry pick so I guess that standing R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #95

I quoted from someone you respect who agrees with the OP.... shira Feb 2013 #96

Why dance away from the fact that you cherry pick? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #98

Keep dancing, deflecting, and failing. n/t shira Feb 2013 #103

I'll leave that to you since you are a master at it. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #105

If it makes you feel better, you go on believing that. n/t shira Feb 2013 #107

It is not a matter of belief...or if, Shira. You're just good at it. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #114

You've been dancing and avoiding throughout the whole thread. Tell you what.... shira Feb 2013 #119

Why bother? You never answer. You just move the goalposts. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #120

Let's remember that once again you're deciding to avoid questions shira Feb 2013 #123

Did you also agree with what he wrote from the same article that R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #60

No, I don't agree with everything else he wrote in that article... shira Feb 2013 #63

Ah, a little grain of truth, or cherry, come forth. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #67

The OP is correct about the UN, which relative to Israel is silent.... shira Feb 2013 #73

Sigh, more relativistic cherry picking from you, really? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #79

The OP claim was WRT the UN working on behalf of Palestinians in Syria... shira Feb 2013 #80

Where are the UN condemnations? Where is the U.S. State Department? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #93

Yeah, where are they WRT Palestinians in Syria? The refugees who are trying to escape... shira Feb 2013 #94

You can continue to accuse others of hate against Israel or not caring for the Palestinians R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #99

I'm not accusing anyone of hate. I'm asking WHY you all ignore systematic abuse of Palestinian.... shira Feb 2013 #102

Yeah...you do, when you are not calling them idiots. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #104

So the reason (besides hate or idiocy) that pro-Palestinian advocates never protest.... shira Feb 2013 #106

Hate and idiocy are you words. You said that you never accused others of hate. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #110

Yeah, why do I even ask? You can't even acknowledge what the OP claims.... shira Feb 2013 #112

And yet, again, your answer is to try and run off in a different direction R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #115

The link was provided oberliner Feb 2013 #38

You need to read the whole article as he gives one example after the next... shira Feb 2013 #7

As for Syria... R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #11

No one is claiming what you wrote. The point is that the Palestinians' biggest advocates.... shira Feb 2013 #14

"No one is claiming what you wrote." What? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #21

Did you read what Noam Sheizaf wrote just last week? See #17. shira Feb 2013 #22

And how does that position absolve Israeli colonization and apartheid? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #27

No one said it does. The OP exposes sanctimonious Palestinian advocates. n/t shira Feb 2013 #32

I'll ask you again. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #62

You keep bringing up only Syria and it's not just about Syria... shira Feb 2013 #64

I guess what I keep on "brining up" is not just Syria, but R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #65

You're trying so hard to deflect. It's soooo pathetic. shira Feb 2013 #66

There is no deflection, Shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #68

So blame Israel for what they do, but why ignore all other violations against Palestinians... shira Feb 2013 #70

Nobody is suggesting that, and that is a rather embarrassing side step argument...even for you. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #72

That's exactly what's happening WRT Palestinians and it's what you're all suggesting... shira Feb 2013 #76

It's amusing that you bring this up in the I/P forum no less. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #82

If violations of Palestinian rights under Arab regimes should not be ignored, why does it happen? shira Feb 2013 #85

You've ignored this several times. Let's try again. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #87

So all Palestinian suffering, in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, or under Hamas..... shira Feb 2013 #88

Reading comprehension must be a problem for some today, especially R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #97

I get that you're saying Israel is the source, the author of the problem, and that Israel must.... shira Feb 2013 #101

While it is disingenuous to accuse others of only caring about the plight of the Palestinians R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #108

I'm looking to find Palestinian advocates who are just as concerned for Palestinians.... shira Feb 2013 #109

And yet another Shira-based deflection. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #111

I agree Israel should be held accountable in as fair and justifiable a manner.... shira Feb 2013 #113

I find what you have written extremely hard to believe. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #116

Because you assume too much. Just ask and ye shall receive... n/t shira Feb 2013 #118

I believe that we all know what kind of person you are. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #121

Now, that's false advertising. I asked and was ignored... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #135

Certainly the Syrian Palestinians won't be complaining about Israel. aquart Feb 2013 #131

Yep. Got a lotta play in the news. And Congress. aquart Feb 2013 #130

uh oh..that's just not right, lol. Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #5

Yeah, that's just as condemnatory of Syria as it would be of Israel were the roles reversed. n/t shira Feb 2013 #9

Say what? Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #13

The UN did more WRT the Mavi Marmara incident than it's done with Syria. n/t shira Feb 2013 #16

Your OP is nonsense..but do carry on. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #18

See the quote in #17 above. The boss @ +972 agrees with the OP. shira Feb 2013 #19

It proves what, exactly? You're involved in a futile attempt here, shira. Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #20

UN action on Syria? The UN did more regarding the Mavi Marmara than it has on Syria. n/t shira Feb 2013 #23

Yea, as I said, carry on..your OP is and will remain, nonsense. Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #24

If it makes you feel better, it's not just Syria where Palestinians are ignored.... shira Feb 2013 #25

At least get your objective straight and stick with it. Your nonsensical OP makes YOU feel better. Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #26

Those who don't include ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #12

I cannot think of even one sincerely pro-Palestinian advocate who is a fierce critic of Israel... shira Feb 2013 #15

Don't forget Israel and it's 'supporters'! n/t Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #126

i care bravenak Feb 2013 #29

What's with all the strawman & red herring arguments here? The OP is dead-on-balls accurate. shira Feb 2013 #40

Strawman? Ha! bravenak Feb 2013 #172

I think the question is JoDog Feb 2013 #53

You do realize that you've now started about twelve different versions of this same thread, right? Ken Burch Feb 2013 #30

"twelve different versions of this same thread" oberliner Feb 2013 #33

Not really. I'm not guilty of doing anything like that here. I rarely start I/P threads at all. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #34

I/P is populated by the same stories/threads/arguments over and over oberliner Feb 2013 #37

Oh. Misunderstood your intent. Sorry. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author shira Feb 2013 #42

It's simply not true? LOL! Read the entire OP and you'll see one example after another... shira Feb 2013 #41

How ironic. polly7 Feb 2013 #44

Try to stay on point. This is about your lot, who says they care so much.... n/t shira Feb 2013 #46

LMAO! polly7 Feb 2013 #47

Did you read the entire OP? It shows that unless Israel can be blamed, you guys don't care.... shira Feb 2013 #48

No, I skimmed it and it just seemed like more of your typical self-pitying, biased, inaccurate polly7 Feb 2013 #49

Then read it and you'll find one example after the next proving the argument... shira Feb 2013 #50

"those of us who DO support them" King_David Feb 2013 #55

I couldn't give a rat's ass what you think, polly7 Feb 2013 #57

So you support Palestinians by attacking Israel, but never stand up for them otherwise? shira Feb 2013 #77

You're thick, shira. polly7 Feb 2013 #78

I asked you about Palestinian refugees in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.... shira Feb 2013 #81

And I answered. Sadly, I have to edit my previous post. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #83

You answered about Iraqis, not Palestinians. n/t shira Feb 2013 #124

As usual, yr inventing views you want people who don't blindly worship Israel to have... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #127

What do you think of the OP? Agree or not? And why/why not? n/t shira Feb 2013 #133

Don't just go ignoring what was said to you and the question you were asked... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #134

The OP is 100% correct, you can't stand being exposed, so you lash out at yr accusers. n/t shira Feb 2013 #136

Y'know, it's very very obvious yr totally ignoring the question you were asked... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #137

I don't have a problem admitting Israel violates Palestinian human rights.... shira Feb 2013 #138

That's not what you were asked. Is it possible for you to ever answer the actual question yr asked? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #139

Provide a few examples and I'll comment on them. I can only think of comments I made about... shira Feb 2013 #141

Again you haven't answered the question you were asked... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #144

I did answer that I couldn't think of any direct Israeli responsibility WRT violations of HR's.... shira Feb 2013 #145

But that's not an answer to the question I asked you... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #148

"I want you to answer the question you were asked..." oberliner Feb 2013 #149

I did answer. Do you have reading comprehension issues? shira Feb 2013 #152

I'm happy, thanks for admitting that... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #154

Now you'd have a point about my not being well-placed to criticize others.... shira Feb 2013 #156

I do have a point. I don't expect you to see it, though... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #159

If you want to debate Israel's treatment of Palestinians in jails or discriminatory law.... shira Feb 2013 #162

There's nothing to debate. The mistreatment is something that happens... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #164

Can't wait for you to bring the evidence. shira Feb 2013 #168

You falsely accused me of never having condemned anyone but Israel for mistreating Palestinians... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #175

I did? Because what I meant and believe is that relative to Israel's treatment..... shira Feb 2013 #178

Okay, I see you don't understand what the word silent means... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #180

You misinterpret my "approach". It isn't that I don't want Israel criticized or want blame.... shira Feb 2013 #146

I'm pretty sure I haven't. It's all about perceptions... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #147

Now you're telling me what I believe after I just explained it to you.... shira Feb 2013 #155

No, I'm not. Don't you understand what a perception is? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #157

I told you where I'm coming from, explained how you're wrong about me and you still carry on.... shira Feb 2013 #161

It's as though yr not reading what yr replying to, Shira. Don't you understand a perception? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #166

So now it's a misperception. You're wrong, but you're still repeating it. Why? shira Feb 2013 #171

I'm not wrong when it comes to my own perceptions, and I'll keep on repeating it... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #174

Your concern for Palestinian HR's is uber-sensitive but only when Israel can be blamed. n/t shira Feb 2013 #176

Yr starting to do that circular ignoring what people have said thing again, Shira... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #179

In another thread, I asked you about Hamas' child militants.... shira Feb 2013 #183

Which thread was that? Could you give me a link? Or was that the thread you were locked out of? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #186

It's the thread I was locked out of.... shira Feb 2013 #188

When yr locked out of a thread, yr not supposed to just up and move yr routine to another thread... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #189

The topic is related. It's about people who say they care about Palestinians.... shira Feb 2013 #190

No, yr just dragging the shit from the thread you were kicked out of over here... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #191

And over on that thread you continued to deflect.... shira Feb 2013 #192

You mean the thread you were locked out of after falsely accusing me of supporting Hamas? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #195

Great points your making King_David Feb 2013 #90

I think I'm being quite reasonable, considering what I'm responding to. polly7 Feb 2013 #91

Exactly. bravenak Feb 2013 #100

Yeah, makes me ill too ...... and I don't think I've managed to post a single thread polly7 Feb 2013 #122

Yes thanks for the contribution. nt King_David Feb 2013 #132

You're so welcome. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #140

Quite the accusation your making, King_David Feb 2013 #54

zzzzzzzzzzzzz ..... nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #58

Good argument nt King_David Feb 2013 #89

TYVM. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #92

You've conveniently overlooked the many times Shira tries to equate Palestinians to Nazis? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #125

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Feb 2013 #45

No recs. No fb links by readers. Bohunk68 Feb 2013 #51

What do u expect from those alligned with and in lock-step w/ the 3rd world Far Right? n/t shira Feb 2013 #52

That's how you decide the truth huh ? King_David Feb 2013 #56

It's remarkably formulaic and simplistic drivel... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #129

Yes, drivel that you cannot dispute due to the fact it's correct. n/t shira Feb 2013 #142

I tend not to waste my breath refuting stupid drivel... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #150

Look, if you could refute the OP you would have done so already. You can't. shira Feb 2013 #151

Am I talking to a brick wall? I just told you I don't waste my time on drivel... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #153

There are 2 issues in the OP. Number one is that the Israel bashers virtually ignore abuse.... shira Feb 2013 #158

Pay attention, Shira. Labelling pro-Palestinians as antisemites is dishonest and extreme... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #160

It's NOT obvious that most people who criticize Israel WRT Palestinians are not antisemites... shira Feb 2013 #163

Yet again yr ignoring the question I asked you... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #165

I did answer it. Do I have to answer you once again 8 different ways? You've done this before.... shira Feb 2013 #169

No you didn't. Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #177

Nope. No US wars in the Middle East. dkf Feb 2013 #128

OK, I am going to restate the question JoDog Feb 2013 #167

Good luck getting an answer, much less acknowledgment there's a double-standard going on. n/t shira Feb 2013 #170

I was hoping someone would honestly tackle this. Here's a bump. Maybe it will still happen. n/t shira Feb 2013 #173

But if any non-Israeli state or individual is believed to violate the rights of Palestinians... Purveyor Feb 2013 #181

Lebanon apartheid conditions vs. Palestinians... shira Feb 2013 #184

If someone doesn't believe there is the double standard you say, then how can they answer yr ? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #182

If you want to criticize Israel JoDog Feb 2013 #185

It's not a double standard, coz what yr saying there isn't the case... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #187

No flotillas to Syria or Lebanon for the refugees there.... shira Feb 2013 #193

I'm sorry. Are you trying to address what I said in my post? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #194

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