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azurnoir

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35. lol
Wed Feb 20, 2013, 01:05 AM
Feb 2013
A rather funny – or tragic, depending on what you think – example was when Likud MK Ophir Akunis attacked the Israeli organization Physicians for Human Rights for criticizing the Israeli government “but saying nothing about Syria.” Only that PHR did talk about Syria – several times. Akunis, who blocked the Facebook commenters who tried to state this fact on his page, wasn’t really interested in the Syrians, but in the delegitimization of the struggle for the rights of Palestinians under Israeli control.

The same goes for many other such comments. And when one does write about the Palestinians who are being killed in Syria, the responses are usually along the lines of “what makes the Palestinians so special? write about the rest of the population!” and so on. At the same time, I am also surprised by the relative indifference for the plight of Palestinian refugees in the civil war by those supporting their cause on other fronts. Where are the mass protests against the brutal, inhuman policy of the Jordanian government, which lets Syrian refugees in but sends the Palestinians back?

Naturally, I think Israel should be the first to help Palestinian refugees in trouble, for obvious historical reasons. With the current political trends here, such hopes are beyond science fiction, and even an honest debate is impossible.


if memory serves the last popular fall back conflict was Darfur which dried up as a comparative cause and as the true amount of concern is coming to light especially considering the dead silence about how Israel treats the refugees from that conflict (know as infiltrators to Israelis via government officials and media)
As to Syria while you condemn Jordan who BTW is only allowing Syrian refugees from Syria in and not all of those necessarily , why are they not being allowed into the West Bank where Israel has control over 60% of the land including all border crossings? oops we're not supposed to notice that are we?

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Good points, true points, but JoDog Feb 2013 #1
They can flame on in denial all they wish. Let's see them dispute the argument. n/t shira Feb 2013 #2
Syrian leaders should face justice at ICC, UN says azurnoir Feb 2013 #3
I find it curious that some would suggest that nobody cares for the Palestinians R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #4
"too busy reading blog posts to lift a finger to be bothered to find the truth" oberliner Feb 2013 #6
Imagine the silence WRT all these dead Palestinians in Syria had they died at the hands of Israel shira Feb 2013 #8
Some excuses from the 972mag-ers oberliner Feb 2013 #10
From your article, Noam Sheizaf of 972 agrees with the OP above... shira Feb 2013 #17
Hard to really understand where he is coming from there oberliner Feb 2013 #39
The site in general.... shira Feb 2013 #43
I do not entirely agree oberliner Feb 2013 #143
You should have posted a little of what Noam Sheizaf had written. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #28
I did. And he agrees with the OP, which is beyond factual dispute.... shira Feb 2013 #31
lol azurnoir Feb 2013 #35
LOL @ you guys trying so hard to distract with red herrings. n/t shira Feb 2013 #36
Translation. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #59
No dissembling "look over there" red herrings, please. Why not just admit the OP is correct.... shira Feb 2013 #61
Translation. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #69
Translation. You stick to the topic first before attempting to derail it. n/t shira Feb 2013 #71
Translation. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #74
As I wrote, I'll answer anything once you guys decide to debate the actual OP. n/t shira Feb 2013 #75
Azurnoir's question still stands, and this is the third time you have run away from it. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #84
Why should I answer red herrings and go off-track before discussing the subject at hand? n/t shira Feb 2013 #86
Well, you have admitted that you *cherry pick so I guess that standing R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #95
I quoted from someone you respect who agrees with the OP.... shira Feb 2013 #96
Why dance away from the fact that you cherry pick? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #98
Keep dancing, deflecting, and failing. n/t shira Feb 2013 #103
I'll leave that to you since you are a master at it. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #105
If it makes you feel better, you go on believing that. n/t shira Feb 2013 #107
It is not a matter of belief...or if, Shira. You're just good at it. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #114
You've been dancing and avoiding throughout the whole thread. Tell you what.... shira Feb 2013 #119
Why bother? You never answer. You just move the goalposts. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #120
Let's remember that once again you're deciding to avoid questions shira Feb 2013 #123
Did you also agree with what he wrote from the same article that R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #60
No, I don't agree with everything else he wrote in that article... shira Feb 2013 #63
Ah, a little grain of truth, or cherry, come forth. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #67
The OP is correct about the UN, which relative to Israel is silent.... shira Feb 2013 #73
Sigh, more relativistic cherry picking from you, really? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #79
The OP claim was WRT the UN working on behalf of Palestinians in Syria... shira Feb 2013 #80
Where are the UN condemnations? Where is the U.S. State Department? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #93
Yeah, where are they WRT Palestinians in Syria? The refugees who are trying to escape... shira Feb 2013 #94
You can continue to accuse others of hate against Israel or not caring for the Palestinians R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #99
I'm not accusing anyone of hate. I'm asking WHY you all ignore systematic abuse of Palestinian.... shira Feb 2013 #102
Yeah...you do, when you are not calling them idiots. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #104
So the reason (besides hate or idiocy) that pro-Palestinian advocates never protest.... shira Feb 2013 #106
Hate and idiocy are you words. You said that you never accused others of hate. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #110
Yeah, why do I even ask? You can't even acknowledge what the OP claims.... shira Feb 2013 #112
And yet, again, your answer is to try and run off in a different direction R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #115
The link was provided oberliner Feb 2013 #38
You need to read the whole article as he gives one example after the next... shira Feb 2013 #7
As for Syria... R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #11
No one is claiming what you wrote. The point is that the Palestinians' biggest advocates.... shira Feb 2013 #14
"No one is claiming what you wrote." What? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #21
Did you read what Noam Sheizaf wrote just last week? See #17. shira Feb 2013 #22
And how does that position absolve Israeli colonization and apartheid? R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #27
No one said it does. The OP exposes sanctimonious Palestinian advocates. n/t shira Feb 2013 #32
I'll ask you again. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #62
You keep bringing up only Syria and it's not just about Syria... shira Feb 2013 #64
I guess what I keep on "brining up" is not just Syria, but R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #65
You're trying so hard to deflect. It's soooo pathetic. shira Feb 2013 #66
There is no deflection, Shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #68
So blame Israel for what they do, but why ignore all other violations against Palestinians... shira Feb 2013 #70
Nobody is suggesting that, and that is a rather embarrassing side step argument...even for you. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #72
That's exactly what's happening WRT Palestinians and it's what you're all suggesting... shira Feb 2013 #76
It's amusing that you bring this up in the I/P forum no less. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #82
If violations of Palestinian rights under Arab regimes should not be ignored, why does it happen? shira Feb 2013 #85
You've ignored this several times. Let's try again. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #87
So all Palestinian suffering, in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, or under Hamas..... shira Feb 2013 #88
Reading comprehension must be a problem for some today, especially R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #97
I get that you're saying Israel is the source, the author of the problem, and that Israel must.... shira Feb 2013 #101
While it is disingenuous to accuse others of only caring about the plight of the Palestinians R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #108
I'm looking to find Palestinian advocates who are just as concerned for Palestinians.... shira Feb 2013 #109
And yet another Shira-based deflection. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #111
I agree Israel should be held accountable in as fair and justifiable a manner.... shira Feb 2013 #113
I find what you have written extremely hard to believe. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #116
Because you assume too much. Just ask and ye shall receive... n/t shira Feb 2013 #118
I believe that we all know what kind of person you are. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2013 #121
Now, that's false advertising. I asked and was ignored... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #135
Certainly the Syrian Palestinians won't be complaining about Israel. aquart Feb 2013 #131
Yep. Got a lotta play in the news. And Congress. aquart Feb 2013 #130
uh oh..that's just not right, lol. Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #5
Yeah, that's just as condemnatory of Syria as it would be of Israel were the roles reversed. n/t shira Feb 2013 #9
Say what? Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #13
The UN did more WRT the Mavi Marmara incident than it's done with Syria. n/t shira Feb 2013 #16
Your OP is nonsense..but do carry on. n/t Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #18
See the quote in #17 above. The boss @ +972 agrees with the OP. shira Feb 2013 #19
It proves what, exactly? You're involved in a futile attempt here, shira. Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #20
UN action on Syria? The UN did more regarding the Mavi Marmara than it has on Syria. n/t shira Feb 2013 #23
Yea, as I said, carry on..your OP is and will remain, nonsense. Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #24
If it makes you feel better, it's not just Syria where Palestinians are ignored.... shira Feb 2013 #25
At least get your objective straight and stick with it. Your nonsensical OP makes YOU feel better. Jefferson23 Feb 2013 #26
Those who don't include ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2013 #12
I cannot think of even one sincerely pro-Palestinian advocate who is a fierce critic of Israel... shira Feb 2013 #15
Don't forget Israel and it's 'supporters'! n/t Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #126
i care bravenak Feb 2013 #29
What's with all the strawman & red herring arguments here? The OP is dead-on-balls accurate. shira Feb 2013 #40
Strawman? Ha! bravenak Feb 2013 #172
I think the question is JoDog Feb 2013 #53
You do realize that you've now started about twelve different versions of this same thread, right? Ken Burch Feb 2013 #30
"twelve different versions of this same thread" oberliner Feb 2013 #33
Not really. I'm not guilty of doing anything like that here. I rarely start I/P threads at all. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #34
I/P is populated by the same stories/threads/arguments over and over oberliner Feb 2013 #37
Oh. Misunderstood your intent. Sorry. n/t. Ken Burch Feb 2013 #117
This message was self-deleted by its author shira Feb 2013 #42
It's simply not true? LOL! Read the entire OP and you'll see one example after another... shira Feb 2013 #41
How ironic. polly7 Feb 2013 #44
Try to stay on point. This is about your lot, who says they care so much.... n/t shira Feb 2013 #46
LMAO! polly7 Feb 2013 #47
Did you read the entire OP? It shows that unless Israel can be blamed, you guys don't care.... shira Feb 2013 #48
No, I skimmed it and it just seemed like more of your typical self-pitying, biased, inaccurate polly7 Feb 2013 #49
Then read it and you'll find one example after the next proving the argument... shira Feb 2013 #50
"those of us who DO support them" King_David Feb 2013 #55
I couldn't give a rat's ass what you think, polly7 Feb 2013 #57
So you support Palestinians by attacking Israel, but never stand up for them otherwise? shira Feb 2013 #77
You're thick, shira. polly7 Feb 2013 #78
I asked you about Palestinian refugees in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.... shira Feb 2013 #81
And I answered. Sadly, I have to edit my previous post. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #83
You answered about Iraqis, not Palestinians. n/t shira Feb 2013 #124
As usual, yr inventing views you want people who don't blindly worship Israel to have... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #127
What do you think of the OP? Agree or not? And why/why not? n/t shira Feb 2013 #133
Don't just go ignoring what was said to you and the question you were asked... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #134
The OP is 100% correct, you can't stand being exposed, so you lash out at yr accusers. n/t shira Feb 2013 #136
Y'know, it's very very obvious yr totally ignoring the question you were asked... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #137
I don't have a problem admitting Israel violates Palestinian human rights.... shira Feb 2013 #138
That's not what you were asked. Is it possible for you to ever answer the actual question yr asked? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #139
Provide a few examples and I'll comment on them. I can only think of comments I made about... shira Feb 2013 #141
Again you haven't answered the question you were asked... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #144
I did answer that I couldn't think of any direct Israeli responsibility WRT violations of HR's.... shira Feb 2013 #145
But that's not an answer to the question I asked you... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #148
"I want you to answer the question you were asked..." oberliner Feb 2013 #149
I did answer. Do you have reading comprehension issues? shira Feb 2013 #152
I'm happy, thanks for admitting that... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #154
Now you'd have a point about my not being well-placed to criticize others.... shira Feb 2013 #156
I do have a point. I don't expect you to see it, though... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #159
If you want to debate Israel's treatment of Palestinians in jails or discriminatory law.... shira Feb 2013 #162
There's nothing to debate. The mistreatment is something that happens... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #164
Can't wait for you to bring the evidence. shira Feb 2013 #168
You falsely accused me of never having condemned anyone but Israel for mistreating Palestinians... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #175
I did? Because what I meant and believe is that relative to Israel's treatment..... shira Feb 2013 #178
Okay, I see you don't understand what the word silent means... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #180
You misinterpret my "approach". It isn't that I don't want Israel criticized or want blame.... shira Feb 2013 #146
I'm pretty sure I haven't. It's all about perceptions... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #147
Now you're telling me what I believe after I just explained it to you.... shira Feb 2013 #155
No, I'm not. Don't you understand what a perception is? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #157
I told you where I'm coming from, explained how you're wrong about me and you still carry on.... shira Feb 2013 #161
It's as though yr not reading what yr replying to, Shira. Don't you understand a perception? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #166
So now it's a misperception. You're wrong, but you're still repeating it. Why? shira Feb 2013 #171
I'm not wrong when it comes to my own perceptions, and I'll keep on repeating it... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #174
Your concern for Palestinian HR's is uber-sensitive but only when Israel can be blamed. n/t shira Feb 2013 #176
Yr starting to do that circular ignoring what people have said thing again, Shira... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #179
In another thread, I asked you about Hamas' child militants.... shira Feb 2013 #183
Which thread was that? Could you give me a link? Or was that the thread you were locked out of? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #186
It's the thread I was locked out of.... shira Feb 2013 #188
When yr locked out of a thread, yr not supposed to just up and move yr routine to another thread... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #189
The topic is related. It's about people who say they care about Palestinians.... shira Feb 2013 #190
No, yr just dragging the shit from the thread you were kicked out of over here... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #191
And over on that thread you continued to deflect.... shira Feb 2013 #192
You mean the thread you were locked out of after falsely accusing me of supporting Hamas? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #195
Great points your making King_David Feb 2013 #90
I think I'm being quite reasonable, considering what I'm responding to. polly7 Feb 2013 #91
Exactly. bravenak Feb 2013 #100
Yeah, makes me ill too ...... and I don't think I've managed to post a single thread polly7 Feb 2013 #122
Yes thanks for the contribution. nt King_David Feb 2013 #132
You're so welcome. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #140
Quite the accusation your making, King_David Feb 2013 #54
zzzzzzzzzzzzz ..... nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #58
Good argument nt King_David Feb 2013 #89
TYVM. nt. polly7 Feb 2013 #92
You've conveniently overlooked the many times Shira tries to equate Palestinians to Nazis? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #125
This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Feb 2013 #45
No recs. No fb links by readers. Bohunk68 Feb 2013 #51
What do u expect from those alligned with and in lock-step w/ the 3rd world Far Right? n/t shira Feb 2013 #52
That's how you decide the truth huh ? King_David Feb 2013 #56
It's remarkably formulaic and simplistic drivel... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #129
Yes, drivel that you cannot dispute due to the fact it's correct. n/t shira Feb 2013 #142
I tend not to waste my breath refuting stupid drivel... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #150
Look, if you could refute the OP you would have done so already. You can't. shira Feb 2013 #151
Am I talking to a brick wall? I just told you I don't waste my time on drivel... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #153
There are 2 issues in the OP. Number one is that the Israel bashers virtually ignore abuse.... shira Feb 2013 #158
Pay attention, Shira. Labelling pro-Palestinians as antisemites is dishonest and extreme... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #160
It's NOT obvious that most people who criticize Israel WRT Palestinians are not antisemites... shira Feb 2013 #163
Yet again yr ignoring the question I asked you... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #165
I did answer it. Do I have to answer you once again 8 different ways? You've done this before.... shira Feb 2013 #169
No you didn't. Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #177
Nope. No US wars in the Middle East. dkf Feb 2013 #128
OK, I am going to restate the question JoDog Feb 2013 #167
Good luck getting an answer, much less acknowledgment there's a double-standard going on. n/t shira Feb 2013 #170
I was hoping someone would honestly tackle this. Here's a bump. Maybe it will still happen. n/t shira Feb 2013 #173
But if any non-Israeli state or individual is believed to violate the rights of Palestinians... Purveyor Feb 2013 #181
Lebanon apartheid conditions vs. Palestinians... shira Feb 2013 #184
If someone doesn't believe there is the double standard you say, then how can they answer yr ? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #182
If you want to criticize Israel JoDog Feb 2013 #185
It's not a double standard, coz what yr saying there isn't the case... Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #187
No flotillas to Syria or Lebanon for the refugees there.... shira Feb 2013 #193
I'm sorry. Are you trying to address what I said in my post? Violet_Crumble Feb 2013 #194
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