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In reply to the discussion: Who Really Cares About the Palestinians? [View all]A rather funny or tragic, depending on what you think example was when Likud MK Ophir Akunis attacked the Israeli organization Physicians for Human Rights for criticizing the Israeli government but saying nothing about Syria. Only that PHR did talk about Syria several times. Akunis, who blocked the Facebook commenters who tried to state this fact on his page, wasnt really interested in the Syrians, but in the delegitimization of the struggle for the rights of Palestinians under Israeli control.
The same goes for many other such comments. And when one does write about the Palestinians who are being killed in Syria, the responses are usually along the lines of what makes the Palestinians so special? write about the rest of the population! and so on. At the same time, I am also surprised by the relative indifference for the plight of Palestinian refugees in the civil war by those supporting their cause on other fronts. Where are the mass protests against the brutal, inhuman policy of the Jordanian government, which lets Syrian refugees in but sends the Palestinians back?
Naturally, I think Israel should be the first to help Palestinian refugees in trouble, for obvious historical reasons. With the current political trends here, such hopes are beyond science fiction, and even an honest debate is impossible.
The same goes for many other such comments. And when one does write about the Palestinians who are being killed in Syria, the responses are usually along the lines of what makes the Palestinians so special? write about the rest of the population! and so on. At the same time, I am also surprised by the relative indifference for the plight of Palestinian refugees in the civil war by those supporting their cause on other fronts. Where are the mass protests against the brutal, inhuman policy of the Jordanian government, which lets Syrian refugees in but sends the Palestinians back?
Naturally, I think Israel should be the first to help Palestinian refugees in trouble, for obvious historical reasons. With the current political trends here, such hopes are beyond science fiction, and even an honest debate is impossible.
if memory serves the last popular fall back conflict was Darfur which dried up as a comparative cause and as the true amount of concern is coming to light especially considering the dead silence about how Israel treats the refugees from that conflict (know as infiltrators to Israelis via government officials and media)
As to Syria while you condemn Jordan who BTW is only allowing Syrian refugees from Syria in and not all of those necessarily , why are they not being allowed into the West Bank where Israel has control over 60% of the land including all border crossings? oops we're not supposed to notice that are we?
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They can flame on in denial all they wish. Let's see them dispute the argument. n/t
shira
Feb 2013
#2
I find it curious that some would suggest that nobody cares for the Palestinians
R. Daneel Olivaw
Feb 2013
#4
"too busy reading blog posts to lift a finger to be bothered to find the truth"
oberliner
Feb 2013
#6
Imagine the silence WRT all these dead Palestinians in Syria had they died at the hands of Israel
shira
Feb 2013
#8
No dissembling "look over there" red herrings, please. Why not just admit the OP is correct....
shira
Feb 2013
#61
As I wrote, I'll answer anything once you guys decide to debate the actual OP. n/t
shira
Feb 2013
#75
Azurnoir's question still stands, and this is the third time you have run away from it.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Feb 2013
#84
Why should I answer red herrings and go off-track before discussing the subject at hand? n/t
shira
Feb 2013
#86
Well, you have admitted that you *cherry pick so I guess that standing
R. Daneel Olivaw
Feb 2013
#95
Yeah, where are they WRT Palestinians in Syria? The refugees who are trying to escape...
shira
Feb 2013
#94
You can continue to accuse others of hate against Israel or not caring for the Palestinians
R. Daneel Olivaw
Feb 2013
#99
I'm not accusing anyone of hate. I'm asking WHY you all ignore systematic abuse of Palestinian....
shira
Feb 2013
#102
So the reason (besides hate or idiocy) that pro-Palestinian advocates never protest....
shira
Feb 2013
#106
Hate and idiocy are you words. You said that you never accused others of hate.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Feb 2013
#110
And yet, again, your answer is to try and run off in a different direction
R. Daneel Olivaw
Feb 2013
#115
No one is claiming what you wrote. The point is that the Palestinians' biggest advocates....
shira
Feb 2013
#14
And how does that position absolve Israeli colonization and apartheid?
R. Daneel Olivaw
Feb 2013
#27
So blame Israel for what they do, but why ignore all other violations against Palestinians...
shira
Feb 2013
#70
Nobody is suggesting that, and that is a rather embarrassing side step argument...even for you.
R. Daneel Olivaw
Feb 2013
#72
That's exactly what's happening WRT Palestinians and it's what you're all suggesting...
shira
Feb 2013
#76
If violations of Palestinian rights under Arab regimes should not be ignored, why does it happen?
shira
Feb 2013
#85
I get that you're saying Israel is the source, the author of the problem, and that Israel must....
shira
Feb 2013
#101
While it is disingenuous to accuse others of only caring about the plight of the Palestinians
R. Daneel Olivaw
Feb 2013
#108
I'm looking to find Palestinian advocates who are just as concerned for Palestinians....
shira
Feb 2013
#109
I agree Israel should be held accountable in as fair and justifiable a manner....
shira
Feb 2013
#113
Yeah, that's just as condemnatory of Syria as it would be of Israel were the roles reversed. n/t
shira
Feb 2013
#9
UN action on Syria? The UN did more regarding the Mavi Marmara than it has on Syria. n/t
shira
Feb 2013
#23
If it makes you feel better, it's not just Syria where Palestinians are ignored....
shira
Feb 2013
#25
At least get your objective straight and stick with it. Your nonsensical OP makes YOU feel better.
Jefferson23
Feb 2013
#26
I cannot think of even one sincerely pro-Palestinian advocate who is a fierce critic of Israel...
shira
Feb 2013
#15
What's with all the strawman & red herring arguments here? The OP is dead-on-balls accurate.
shira
Feb 2013
#40
You do realize that you've now started about twelve different versions of this same thread, right?
Ken Burch
Feb 2013
#30
Not really. I'm not guilty of doing anything like that here. I rarely start I/P threads at all.
Ken Burch
Feb 2013
#34
It's simply not true? LOL! Read the entire OP and you'll see one example after another...
shira
Feb 2013
#41
Did you read the entire OP? It shows that unless Israel can be blamed, you guys don't care....
shira
Feb 2013
#48
No, I skimmed it and it just seemed like more of your typical self-pitying, biased, inaccurate
polly7
Feb 2013
#49
So you support Palestinians by attacking Israel, but never stand up for them otherwise?
shira
Feb 2013
#77
As usual, yr inventing views you want people who don't blindly worship Israel to have...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#127
Don't just go ignoring what was said to you and the question you were asked...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#134
The OP is 100% correct, you can't stand being exposed, so you lash out at yr accusers. n/t
shira
Feb 2013
#136
Y'know, it's very very obvious yr totally ignoring the question you were asked...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#137
That's not what you were asked. Is it possible for you to ever answer the actual question yr asked?
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#139
Provide a few examples and I'll comment on them. I can only think of comments I made about...
shira
Feb 2013
#141
I did answer that I couldn't think of any direct Israeli responsibility WRT violations of HR's....
shira
Feb 2013
#145
If you want to debate Israel's treatment of Palestinians in jails or discriminatory law....
shira
Feb 2013
#162
There's nothing to debate. The mistreatment is something that happens...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#164
You falsely accused me of never having condemned anyone but Israel for mistreating Palestinians...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#175
I did? Because what I meant and believe is that relative to Israel's treatment.....
shira
Feb 2013
#178
You misinterpret my "approach". It isn't that I don't want Israel criticized or want blame....
shira
Feb 2013
#146
I told you where I'm coming from, explained how you're wrong about me and you still carry on....
shira
Feb 2013
#161
It's as though yr not reading what yr replying to, Shira. Don't you understand a perception?
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#166
I'm not wrong when it comes to my own perceptions, and I'll keep on repeating it...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#174
Your concern for Palestinian HR's is uber-sensitive but only when Israel can be blamed. n/t
shira
Feb 2013
#176
Yr starting to do that circular ignoring what people have said thing again, Shira...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#179
Which thread was that? Could you give me a link? Or was that the thread you were locked out of?
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#186
When yr locked out of a thread, yr not supposed to just up and move yr routine to another thread...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#189
The topic is related. It's about people who say they care about Palestinians....
shira
Feb 2013
#190
No, yr just dragging the shit from the thread you were kicked out of over here...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#191
You mean the thread you were locked out of after falsely accusing me of supporting Hamas?
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#195
Yeah, makes me ill too ...... and I don't think I've managed to post a single thread
polly7
Feb 2013
#122
You've conveniently overlooked the many times Shira tries to equate Palestinians to Nazis?
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#125
What do u expect from those alligned with and in lock-step w/ the 3rd world Far Right? n/t
shira
Feb 2013
#52
Am I talking to a brick wall? I just told you I don't waste my time on drivel...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#153
There are 2 issues in the OP. Number one is that the Israel bashers virtually ignore abuse....
shira
Feb 2013
#158
Pay attention, Shira. Labelling pro-Palestinians as antisemites is dishonest and extreme...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#160
It's NOT obvious that most people who criticize Israel WRT Palestinians are not antisemites...
shira
Feb 2013
#163
I did answer it. Do I have to answer you once again 8 different ways? You've done this before....
shira
Feb 2013
#169
Good luck getting an answer, much less acknowledgment there's a double-standard going on. n/t
shira
Feb 2013
#170
I was hoping someone would honestly tackle this. Here's a bump. Maybe it will still happen. n/t
shira
Feb 2013
#173
But if any non-Israeli state or individual is believed to violate the rights of Palestinians...
Purveyor
Feb 2013
#181
If someone doesn't believe there is the double standard you say, then how can they answer yr ?
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2013
#182