Israel/Palestine

pelsar

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147. your right....

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 01:36 AM

Jan 2012

Israel is bound by the Geneva Convention..yet, you seem to have
no understanding of what that means.

so now is your chance to actually explain what that means in real terms..not some vague moral argument that can be interpreted by anyone to mean anything...
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and your answer?...
let me guess, either a single sentence that shows i know nothing, or a long post cut and pasted from some website
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how about this, have some guts (its only a small forum in the larger world) and put forth a definitive opinion with real actual detailed information as you believe, so that i can take it apart and show just how little you actually understand of the events that take place.

yes its a trap, because if you do actually attempt to write what you believe and why about that, it will be clear how little understanding you actually have of how its actually interpreted and applied by governments....

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Stop ignoring the facts about Cast Lead [View all] shira Jan 2012 OP

Good catch sellitman Jan 2012 #1

When the facts... holdencaufield Jan 2012 #2

Israel/Gaza: Operation "Cast Lead": 22 days of death and destruction Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #3

hyperbole anyone?.....i mean this really takes the cake pelsar Jan 2012 #4

It was not unprecedented by the Israeli government in that area pelsar..you're Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #5

I wrote my earlier response wrong, lol..sorry. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #6

if you want to "localize" the word pelsar Jan 2012 #10

The IDF didn't tippy toe, did they? I need to post more reports you'll Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #15

actually it is infact not that relevant..... pelsar Jan 2012 #44

Before we go any further regarding your response, are you suggesting Israel Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #58

Laws of war WRT military occupation? Gaza isn't occupied. shira Jan 2012 #62

Your assertion is false, as the collective reports reflect. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #65

It's not me, Hamas says there's no occupation. All this bullshit you're C&P'ing..... shira Jan 2012 #77

I already answered you earlier, your "proof" is unsupported regarding the IDF. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #80

So Hamas is wrong when they say Gaza is no longer occupied, right? n/t shira Jan 2012 #83

Try and think about what was actually stated by Hamas and why. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #85

Why don't you be clear and tell us what YOU think Hamas actually stated and why? shira Jan 2012 #86

NINE edits, and you still have posted nothing that changes the conclusions by the ICJ. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #105

UN precedent alone WRT Libya is enough to prove you wrong... shira Jan 2012 #109

yes, i believe israel is bound by the convention... pelsar Jan 2012 #68

You reject the ICJ opinion, as they are fashioned after a colonial style court in Europe? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #70

Any knowledgeable party rejects the false premise that Israel "occupies" Gaza vminfla Jan 2012 #71

Her opinion versus a collective body of international law jurists? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #72

So when Hamas says Gaza is not occupied, King_David Jan 2012 #73

White people? Why are you speaking about this issue from a racial perspective? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #74

Jurists or effete milquetoasts? vminfla Jan 2012 #75

Your comments are at best, sad and are made without prior knowledge of the subject...the ICJ. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #76

i reject the ICJ opinion... pelsar Jan 2012 #131

A bunch of colonialists that have problems with geography..so you say...which makes no sense at all. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #138

i asked you, not some internet site..... pelsar Jan 2012 #140

The information I posted for you..you're correct...it is not some internet Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #144

on the contrary ..its is very very very wise.... pelsar Jan 2012 #146

You'd be in a position to argue your assertion about the court Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #148

you confuse laws and interpretations of the laws... pelsar Jan 2012 #150

Imo, you have a lack of understanding Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #151

the UN disagrees with you.... pelsar Jan 2012 #153

Ignore the entire Egyptian border, because the freedom Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #155

seems HRW disagrees.... pelsar Jan 2012 #158

Shared responsibility means Israel is not the occupying power Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #159

Depends on how you define unprecedented vminfla Jan 2012 #9

And yet, the civilian to combatant kill ratio is better than any other modern Western military... shira Jan 2012 #7

The kill ratio..you use that word combination, often. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #8

Israel's the worst, except for every other nation, right? n/t shira Jan 2012 #11

Your words not mine. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #17

implying...? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #12

The implication is obvious. Israel transcends all other nations in limiting civilian casualties vminfla Jan 2012 #13

I meant Jefferson's implication. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #14

Debate what? My comments are to another poster, you want to defend, explain her Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #16

I was asking you what you meant. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #18

I'm not interested in what you imagine..I posted my observation Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #19

She offered data vminfla Jan 2012 #20

To you they are..I know this. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #21

To anyone with a fundamental understanding of 3rd grade ratios, yes. vminfla Jan 2012 #22

I'd agree you have a third grade understanding of the conflict, yes I would. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #23

So you think... Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #27

In relation to Kemp? Post #3. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #30

So... nothing then? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #34

Two things, the entire report does not support Kemp..read it. Two, what evidence Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #35

Israel was an examplar to military combat in urban populations vminfla Jan 2012 #36

unsubstantiated? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #24

It's not about the facts, it's about the meme vminfla Jan 2012 #26

You can read post #3, if you like. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #29

Arabs fired rockets and mortar shells at Israel, with the declared purpose of striking civilians vminfla Jan 2012 #32

You can re-read post 19 again, if you like. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #28

Why? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #33

Obliterated my observation of another posters words? No. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #37

Yep, no one saw this coming vminfla Jan 2012 #38

You have an active imagination and duly noted you supported OCL. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #39

Operation Cast Lead saved lives vminfla Jan 2012 #54

Apparently many more Israelis need to die b/c the IDF can't be perfect in response. n/t shira Jan 2012 #56

It appears the main argument against OCL is that not enough Israelis died. vminfla Jan 2012 #60

It's not even that. If 10,000 Israelis are killed, the IDF is still expected to be perfect. shira Jan 2012 #78

No. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #40

Do you realize the flaws in his assertions, on any level?? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #41

obliterated what reports? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #42

You stated you had obliterated the reports from the human rights groups with Kemp, no? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #43

Despite what reports say, the fact remains that in OCL, the ratio of civilians to combatants killed shira Jan 2012 #53

Despite the reports? You're funny...ignore the reports and focus on Kemp. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #59

what the reports say pelsar Jan 2012 #61

This is what you offer to counter all the reports? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #63

its quite simple.... pelsar Jan 2012 #67

I keep reading in this thread about third grade, and it is not bolstering Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #69

huh? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #88

i love it...this has got to be one of the more ridiculous articles/posts i've seen in a long time... pelsar Jan 2012 #130

You assumed you understood, that part is correct. Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #139

i agree....Deterrence at any cost is unjustifiable pelsar Jan 2012 #141

AI offers opinion, not facts vminfla Jan 2012 #64

lol. n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #66

So you don't believe Israel's record WRT civilians vs. combatants.... shira Jan 2012 #79

You're confused..you offered this OP to support your assertion...it was Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #81

The OP hasn't been discredited. Hamas even admitted that at least half of all casualties.... shira Jan 2012 #82

I'm not going to repeat myself over and over..you reject multiple Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #84

So you have nothing. Israel's military is better than any other WRT civilians... shira Jan 2012 #87

OK... Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #91

I need to explain where his work is flawed? What work would that be? Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #104

wow....i'm glad to hear we don't need our tanks.... pelsar Jan 2012 #143

I had previously asked you and you acknowledged Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #145

your right.... pelsar Jan 2012 #147

Why do you even imagine that you have an argument Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #149

UN security council declares gaza not occupied.... pelsar Jan 2012 #152

Game playing pelsar. You are aware you posted an opinion Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #154

"When we pillaged your village, we killed fewer of you JackRiddler Jan 2012 #98

"After we took thousands of your rockets..." is more like it, right? n/t shira Jan 2012 #100

here's your key error. Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #89

Well said, Shakti. n/t shira Jan 2012 #93

None of this stat play matters if the war was illegitimate in the first place. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #101

are you asserting that Israel Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #113

No, I am asserting Israel has no right to massacre its captive population... JackRiddler Jan 2012 #115

how does Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #118

Gaza remains occupied territory. JackRiddler Jan 2012 #119

nope Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #121

The facts about OCL speak for themselves azurnoir Jan 2012 #25

Thou art exactly right... shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #31

it was a turkey shoot...and will be again if need be pelsar Jan 2012 #47

something else I've been averaging numbers azurnoir Jan 2012 #51

hahahaha Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #52

let's take a peek at the numbers azurnoir Jan 2012 #55

is this one of those: if its an afghan body it must be a taliban militant? pelsar Jan 2012 #57

is that ratio consistent? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #90

I have often wondered that myself... shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #92

Kemp is comparing Israel to other nations involved in assymetric warfare. Comparisons are to... shira Jan 2012 #94

Just about every assertion made in this post is false. shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #95

Here's an article citing a study that says you couldn't be more wrong... shira Jan 2012 #96

Oooh Green Left I am impressed let's see wha the say about OCL should be fun azurnoir Jan 2012 #102

The source is irrelevant as they cited a study showing the Brits killed far more civilians... shira Jan 2012 #103

so "Leftists" are good when you think they back you but bad when they don't? azurnoir Jan 2012 #107

I'm as unimpressed with the far Left as I am the far Right.... shira Jan 2012 #114

ah shira I've been folowing the entire thread including reply #112 azurnoir Jan 2012 #116

"pro-British forces" would seem to include mainly Loyalist militias, rather than the British Army shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #106

You're wrong. Admit it and move on... shira Jan 2012 #108

Please. No one here regards you as credible... shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #110

You're wrong and it has nothing to do with my credibility... shira Jan 2012 #111

Actually, that table says that British forces killed a total of 150 non-civilians... shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #112

It's not just the British Army.... shira Jan 2012 #117

Re shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #120

Come on, these are horrible comparisons... shira Jan 2012 #122

More bald assertions... shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #123

Let's just go with Proxy bombers for now... shira Jan 2012 #125

Alright... shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #126

Wrong? How so? shira Jan 2012 #127

You wrote: shaayecanaan Jan 2012 #128

yes....we've learned... pelsar Jan 2012 #45

yes of course and when destroying mosques what better time to chose azurnoir Jan 2012 #46

bomb depots get to be bombed.... pelsar Jan 2012 #48

and apparently for Israeli forces the most appropiate time azurnoir Jan 2012 #49

maybe they were all plastic sex dolls pelsar Jan 2012 #50

Bizarroland statistical play cannot hide the stench of death JackRiddler Jan 2012 #97

No other nation would take thousands of rockets over a 6 year span... shira Jan 2012 #99

Israel broke the cease fire? Shaktimaan Jan 2012 #124

you should respect and listen to the "brown people".... pelsar Jan 2012 #129

I am not a Hamas spokesperson. Are you someone's spokesperson? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #132

So riddle us this one since Gaza is seemingly still occupied... shira Jan 2012 #133

Israel has no rights as an "occupying power." JackRiddler Jan 2012 #134

If the Gaza occupation were illegal, there'd be no need for UNSCR 242.... shira Jan 2012 #135

Amazing how force can translate into a theater of law and diplomacy, isn't it? JackRiddler Jan 2012 #136

Again, the UNSC drafted 242. Israel didn't force them to do that. There's nothing... shira Jan 2012 #137

i just have a basic respect for the governing body of gaza and their opinion...clearly you don't. pelsar Jan 2012 #142

Three years since Operation Cast Lead: Israeli military utterly failed to investigate itself Jefferson23 Jan 2012 #156

Here's the thing about OCL azurnoir Jan 2012 #157