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shira

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20. You prefer Chavez rule to any Israeli gov't? Here's HRW reporting on Venezuela....
Mon Mar 11, 2013, 08:12 AM
Mar 2013
http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/03/05/venezuela-chavez-s-authoritarian-legacy


(New York) – Hugo Chávez’s presidency (1999-2013) was characterized by a dramatic concentration of power and open disregard for basic human rights guarantees.

After enacting a new constitution with ample human rights protections in 1999 – and surviving a short-lived coup d’état in 2002 – Chávez and his followers moved to concentrate power. They seized control of the Supreme Court and undercut the ability of journalists, human rights defenders, and other Venezuelans to exercise fundamental rights.

By his second full term in office, the concentration of power and erosion of human rights protections had given the government free rein to intimidate, censor, and prosecute Venezuelans who criticized the president or thwarted his political agenda. In recent years, the president and his followers used these powers in a wide range of prominent cases, whose damaging impact was felt by entire sectors of Venezuelan society.

Many Venezuelans continued to criticize the government. But the prospect of reprisals – in the form of arbitrary or abusive state action – forced journalists and human rights defenders to weigh the consequences of disseminating information and opinions critical of the government, and undercut the ability of judges to adjudicate politically sensitive cases.....

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Hugo was an effective counter to the neoliberal western domination of Latin American countries Kolesar Mar 2013 #1
DU front page thread on the death of Chavez, it should be read azurnoir Mar 2013 #2
RIP Chavez, the anti-Imperialist. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #3
Crowds pack snowy route for Kim Jong-il's funeral oberliner Mar 2013 #4
Wednesday 28 December 2011. Poor oberliner..wrong thread and you're so late to his funeral. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #6
It was in response to the photos you posted of the Chavez funeral oberliner Mar 2013 #7
You mean that is what you think of the citizens of Venezuela regarding Chavez. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #8
Yes, exactly. oberliner Mar 2013 #10
As well? You mean you're not suppose to be here nor I, so who should be here posting? Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #11
Chavez and Kim Jong Il had nothing in common. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #13
People are mourning Chavez VOLUNTARILY, though. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #12
Lots of Chavez fans around here oberliner Mar 2013 #5
Funny they think he was anti-Imperialist too. n/t shira Mar 2013 #9
Hugo Chávez Funeral: Derided by US Media, Venezuelan Leader Uplifted Poor from Caracas to the Bronx Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #14
What do you make of his relationship with Ahmadinejad and Iran? shira Mar 2013 #15
Please do tell what you believe you know about Chavez and what that has to do Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #16
Can you answer me first? n/t shira Mar 2013 #17
Nope, it's too dumb a question. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #18
Yep, didn't think so. n/t shira Mar 2013 #19
You prefer Chavez rule to any Israeli gov't? Here's HRW reporting on Venezuela.... shira Mar 2013 #20
Your question, do I prefer Chavez rule to any Israeli government? What kind of a question is that, Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #21
So you prefer a authoritarian rule over a western liberal democracy. shira Mar 2013 #22
lol@ western liberal democracy..you wouldn't recognize one if it hit you in the ass with a truck. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #23
But you see Chavez' Venezuela as more liberal/democratic than Israel.... shira Mar 2013 #24
You're a riot...I wish you had posted this OP in GD. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #25
You prefer an authoritarian regime against free speech/dissent.... shira Mar 2013 #26
Nah, HRW stated they wish to see Chavez brought to the International Court for its crimes, or Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #27
Which country is Venezuela occupying again...? Oh... Yah. idwiyo Mar 2013 #29
It's a legal occupation due to a defensive war Israel won. shira Mar 2013 #31
Like hell it is..how you persist in pushing nonsense. What the Israeli government Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #33
It's legal. Deal with it. n/t shira Mar 2013 #34
Hey now, that was convincing...sold. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #35
UNSCR242 is convincing - withdrawal based on secure/recognized borders. shira Mar 2013 #40
Where do I state I want a violation of 242? Post it. The occupation is NOT legal.. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #43
Think about it. If it were illegal, UNSCR 242 would be very short. shira Mar 2013 #44
Oh that was another convincing bright response. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #45
So why doesn't UNSCR 242 just call for Israel to GTFO? shira Mar 2013 #46
I don't answer? Don't make me laugh. You have provided nothing to negate my first post Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #47
UNSCR242 requires secure, recognized borders. shira Mar 2013 #48
You think you're funny here, shira? Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #49
Call 'em the '67 lines, but they need to be secure and recognized first.... shira Mar 2013 #50
The occupation is illegal...that's the point and you've presented nothing Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #51
No amount of fact will make a difference to you... shira Mar 2013 #52
You've brought no facts..mere rhetoric. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #53
Whoa! Gaza is just under siege and not occupied? shira Mar 2013 #54
You're intentionally lost...but you know that. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #55
Damn, thought you changed your mind. Well that says a lot.... shira Mar 2013 #56
Anyone interested can see for themselves what you've been presented with Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #57
Anyone can see u have no response to "secure, recognized borders". shira Mar 2013 #58
lol. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #59
Laugh it up. You still have no reply for it... shira Mar 2013 #60
Because there is no reply you deserve but laughter. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #61
You're projecting again. Here's the Hague Regulations of 1907.... shira Mar 2013 #62
Why is this so difficult for you..do you believe the ICJ advisory ruling, all the justices are dumb? Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #66
The ICJ never said the occupation is illegal. They're not dumb. shira Mar 2013 #68
Their ruling does not support an illegal occupation..you're right they're not the dumb ones Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #70
How disingenuous can you get? That's a ruling WRT the wall... shira Mar 2013 #71
Rich, you calling anyone disingenuous. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #72
You said the ICJ ruling of 2004 declared the occupation illegal. shira Mar 2013 #73
Oh there are lies posted here in this thread but not by me. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #75
Quoting wiki doesn't help you show that in 2004 the ICJ stated.... shira Mar 2013 #77
Oh it helps, just not you. Who are you referring to when you say, "show us..." Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #78
Secure and recognized borders as Israel defines it...their quest for the West Bank Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #63
Wow. Lame response. I'm wrong just 'cuz. Ooookay. n/t shira Mar 2013 #64
You're wrong and you know it..your source, and that is being generous on my part, Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #65
See link in #62. It proves u wrong as Israel doesn't meet the requirements... shira Mar 2013 #67
No it does not, but you know this. Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #69
See #73. n/t shira Mar 2013 #74
You see #73, you're attached to it, it's your imaginary friend. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2013 #76
Do you really think if you keep calling it "legal" it will make it so? idwiyo Mar 2013 #37
Your question is so dumb it doesn't deserve an answer. But you knew that, didn't, you? idwiyo Mar 2013 #38
I don't have problem with Iran. I do have a hell of a lot of problem with our best friends like idwiyo Mar 2013 #30
The human rights situation in Iran is appalling. shira Mar 2013 #32
Beautiful country, great people & fucking bulshit crazy government. same as Israel. idwiyo Mar 2013 #36
You'd have less a problem with SA & the UAE were the US to cut ties.... shira Mar 2013 #41
I'd have less problem with them too if they keep their business to themselves. idwiyo Mar 2013 #42
K&R Chávez no ha muerto, el vive en la revolución! ˇHasta la victoria siempre! idwiyo Mar 2013 #28
A great loss. ocpagu Mar 2013 #39
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