Israel/Palestine

Ruby the Liberal

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71. "Israel's Defenders"

Tue Dec 13, 2011, 10:23 AM

Dec 2011

As you are lumping people into one big box, do remember that the Jewish anti-Zionists are not against the restoration of Israel. They are just against the current (secular) iteration as they believe Israel will only be restored when Messiah arrives.

Its not a matter of 'no' to them, it is a matter of 'not yet'.

Like I said below, strange bedfellows, but most bedfellows are temporary, so there ya go!

Oh, and Bobby Fischer is a was, not an is. He died about 3 or 4 years ago. I know nothing about his religion or politics, I just remember his obit.

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This forum is about to get a lot more interesting. [View all] ellisonz Dec 2011 OP

I no longer touch this subject on DU nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #1

I only dip in occasionally. ellisonz Dec 2011 #2

That's not correct, Nadin. The tent protests in Israel got covered in the I/P forum... Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Dec 2011 #4

I think it's crucial for this forum to behave responsibly. ellisonz Dec 2011 #8

delete message Scurrilous Dec 2011 #5

Juries are drawn from the broad membership - star and non-star. ellisonz Dec 2011 #10

Agreed RZM Dec 2011 #6

Regarding I/P Posts in other forums? ellisonz Dec 2011 #7

Never posted there much RZM Dec 2011 #9

Here are the old rules: ellisonz Dec 2011 #11

New Rules ... USA_1 Dec 2011 #26

I'm not the host or rule maker dude. ellisonz Dec 2011 #27

I can't find a link to new rules for this group Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #29

This is not true oberliner Dec 2011 #53

how does the host thing work? Mosby Dec 2011 #12

I applied to be temp host. Scurrilous Dec 2011 #13

All this temp hosting... ellisonz Dec 2011 #14

thx for the info Mosby Dec 2011 #15

Have you tried the different formats in My Account? ellisonz Dec 2011 #17

I'll try that, thx nt Mosby Dec 2011 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author Tesha Dec 2011 #18

I'll mess around with it and see, thx! nt Mosby Dec 2011 #20

I've had the same sort of issues with my iPhone... Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #21

thx for the info Mosby Dec 2011 #16

Gee, Scurrilous Owlet Dec 2011 #28

Thanks. Scurrilous Dec 2011 #38

Just like beauty ... King_David Dec 2011 #84

''one of the most divisive topics on DU'' USA_1 Dec 2011 #22

These are not 'new rules' LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #23

Thanks For Your Reply USA_1 Dec 2011 #25

Lemme guess - you define 'informed and civil' Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #30

Haaretz USA_1 Dec 2011 #37

Name me a liberal Israeli source then, please. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #39

Do A Google Search USA_1 Dec 2011 #40

I am quite familiar with the news outlets Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #41

I should add - it is easy to wholesale demonize a people Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #43

Pro Israel Demonize Me All The Time! USA_1 Dec 2011 #49

we don't demonize you... pelsar Dec 2011 #52

''we won't demonize you'' USA_1 Dec 2011 #58

Interesting. Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #77

demonization USA_1 Dec 2011 #79

You do get that rense is a blog and JPost is a news organization, right? Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #81

Fox is "news media" as well USA_1 Dec 2011 #86

it's like the twilight zone here sometimes Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #82

''Link it up please.'' USA_1 Dec 2011 #87

really? Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #88

Rense USA_1 Dec 2011 #90

Now you want to exclude the New York Times as 'Islamophobic'? Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #91

I said "include" not exclude USA_1 Dec 2011 #93

English is my first language Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #100

''amusing" USA_1 Dec 2011 #103

Their pro Israel slant must be the reason for the ongoing pissing match Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #105

why are you waffling? Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #108

Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #112

Sounds like a quote from NK USA_1 Dec 2011 #115

Is that meant to reinforce NK? Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #117

NK's view on Zionism are based on the Bible USA_1 Dec 2011 #118

OK, let's make this simple... Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #114

You think Satmar and Neturei Karta are liberal? oberliner Dec 2011 #51

Those Are Anti-Zionist Jews USA_1 Dec 2011 #59

They are anti-Zionist, but not liberal or progressive oberliner Dec 2011 #64

You Are Correct USA_1 Dec 2011 #65

Being Jewish does not mean you can't be a Jew-hater oberliner Dec 2011 #67

''opposing Zionism does not in and of itself make one a "Jew hater". '' USA_1 Dec 2011 #69

"Israel's Defenders" Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #71

''Israel will only be restored when Messiah arrives. '' USA_1 Dec 2011 #73

Zionists don't believe what you say they believe oberliner Dec 2011 #75

... exclusionism ... USA_1 Dec 2011 #76

Check out this blog oberliner Dec 2011 #78

Tikkun Olam USA_1 Dec 2011 #80

seriously? Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #110

Antisemitism/Jew-hatred is a pyschological problem oberliner Dec 2011 #74

I think the reality of the issues at hand are getting muddied here. Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #83

I hear this charge a lot. Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #109

When you stand on a stage, hand in hand in solidarity with David Duke Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #66

''hand in hand with David Duke'' USA_1 Dec 2011 #68

It happened in Iran at the Holocaust Revisionist Conference in 2006 Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #70

''hand in hand'' USA_1 Dec 2011 #72

I want to thank you... holdencaufield Dec 2011 #85

... hopefully as a One State Solution USA_1 Dec 2011 #89

Psst - thinking single state isn't on the kashrut/halal list... Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #92

Those Whistling Dixie In 1865 Didn't Believe In A One State Solution USA_1 Dec 2011 #94

Yours is a pro-war position. The vast majority of Israelis and Palestinians... shira Dec 2011 #95

The vast majority of Palestinians would favor a one-state solution. bemildred Dec 2011 #96

Not a secular state... shira Dec 2011 #97

Don't change the subject. bemildred Dec 2011 #98

FYI, about the majority of Palestinians wanting sharia rule under a dictatorship... shira Dec 2011 #99

Do they keep lists of those obscure 30-year-old polls somewhere handy for when they are needed? bemildred Dec 2011 #101

The point is, most Israelis and Palestinians are against one secular state. n/t shira Dec 2011 #102

Your Delusionalism USA_1 Dec 2011 #104

You are comparing Israelis and Palestinians to North and South Vietnamese? oberliner Dec 2011 #106

Did you see upthread where she compared the conflict to the US Civil war? Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #107

They are hardly similar. Shaktimaan Dec 2011 #111

Peace Now are still active; and are ardent two-staters who wouldn't support much of what you say LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #113

Kudos to Peace Now For At Least Trying to Bring About Reconciliation USA_1 Dec 2011 #116

Ha'aretz is not a right-wing source. LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #42

Libertarians USA_1 Dec 2011 #50

But libertarians would *not* use the money saved from 'foreign wars' to solve American domestic LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #55

''help the rich'' USA_1 Dec 2011 #57

What I mean is that the right-wing think that the rich should have untrammeled rights to make money LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #60

Ironic. Avigdor Lieberman is not even close to being as extreme as Ron Paul. n/t shira Dec 2011 #61

I would agree with that - but then neither is Genghis Khan LeftishBrit Dec 2011 #62

''untrammeled rights to make money '' USA_1 Dec 2011 #63

As Ruby's already said, Ha'aretz is anything but an extreme RW source... Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #44

Arutz sheva isn't merely a RW source. It's extremely bigoted Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #31

Good point - but in which direction? Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #32

I don't care what side they're on Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #33

And that is why this conflict has never been resolved. Ruby the Liberal Dec 2011 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author ellisonz Dec 2011 #24

Where can one find the new rules for this group? oberliner Dec 2011 #35

This forum has yet to organized. ellisonz Dec 2011 #36

A question... Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #45

Well I think if you were to compare... ellisonz Dec 2011 #46

Yeah, I'm in agreement with you on that... Violet_Crumble Dec 2011 #47

Yep ellisonz Dec 2011 #48

I hope that there is a process oberliner Dec 2011 #54

I think this could be done. ellisonz Dec 2011 #56