Israel/Palestine

leftynyc

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38. I can't think of anyone

Thu Mar 21, 2013, 03:22 PM

Mar 2013

who can be prosecuted to be honest. First, how would the govt go about proving anyone was "under foreign control"? AIPAC, J Street, OPEC, they're all lobbyists but so are thousands of other entities that are not strictly American.

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Reconsidering the two-state solution [View all] cali Mar 2013 OP

How about this solution: reconsider U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel. leveymg Mar 2013 #1

Israel wouldn't surrender if US aid stopped. They'd make more of their own.... shira Mar 2013 #2

Thanks for your candor - you equate the two-state solution with surrender. leveymg Mar 2013 #4

No, Israel is not in the weapons export business to China henank Mar 2013 #13

Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) sold the Lavi design to China: sources below. leveymg Mar 2013 #14

There are an awful lot of ifs and buts in those statements henank Mar 2013 #19

Jane's wouldn't have published it if the sources weren't considered credible. You asked for sources leveymg Mar 2013 #21

I'm for that, but I don't think it's either in the realm of possibility cali Mar 2013 #5

What about land swaps? oberliner Mar 2013 #7

hasn't that become a dim prospect with the settlements built cali Mar 2013 #9

No, Olmert's offer of 2008 disproves that. The Palestinians.... shira Mar 2013 #41

oh please. And what about all the greater israel proponents- quite a few cali Mar 2013 #43

What about them? How much more does Israel need to offer.... shira Mar 2013 #45

"How much more does Israel need to offer...." R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #49

You need to inform yourself on the Clinton Initiatives, Olmert Plan.... shira Mar 2013 #51

Do you support the Israeli settlements in the West bank? Yes or no? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #54

Hardly, Shira, and we've been through this before: Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #56

Ben Ami said he wouldn't have accepted the Camp David offer.... shira Mar 2013 #62

Way to completely miss the point of the post. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #63

Finkelstein is wrong. n/t shira Mar 2013 #64

No, he is not. Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #66

You really don't know much about this topic oberliner Mar 2013 #52

Do you support the Israeli settlements in the West bank? Yes or no? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #55

Uh, no - do you? oberliner Mar 2013 #58

"The Parameters received wide support in the Israeli cabinet" that was long ago azurnoir Mar 2013 #60

Doubtful oberliner Mar 2013 #61

It's redundant to insist that Israel be recognized "as a Jewish state" Ken Burch Mar 2013 #59

Israel could offer everything you say it needs to offer.... shira Mar 2013 #65

I'm rejecting a silly, pointless demand by Netanyahu, not "blaming Israel". Ken Burch Mar 2013 #67

It's necessary and just. It will go to show the Palestinians are serious.... shira Mar 2013 #70

Recognizing Israel would do all of that. Ken Burch Mar 2013 #71

It hasn't done that since 1993, when it was supposedly recognized then. shira Mar 2013 #72

The war is not about there being an Israel. aranthus Mar 2013 #68

Then why wasn't it asked of Egypt or Jordan? Ken Burch Mar 2013 #69

Not necessarily oberliner Mar 2013 #47

Just a credible threat would provide leverage and movement. Except for one thing - AIPAC. leveymg Mar 2013 #8

I disagree. First of all, AIPAC is not a foreign lobbying shop cali Mar 2013 #11

Indictment: AIPAC officials worked with Mossad Chief of Station to plant Irandata in Pentagon files leveymg Mar 2013 #15

so what's the obvious falsity" cali Mar 2013 #17

AIPAC acts as an agent of a foreign power - every other country's lobbyists are required to register leveymg Mar 2013 #22

What part of AIPAC consisting of Americans leftynyc Mar 2013 #26

You don't know the law. US Citizens must register as agents of foreign leveymg Mar 2013 #27

So - according to you leftynyc Mar 2013 #33

No, not unless you're being paid to spread propaganda or influence policy on behalf of Israel. leveymg Mar 2013 #36

I can't think of anyone leftynyc Mar 2013 #38

Proof? The FBI has been recording AIPAC's phones for decades pursuant to FISA warrants. leveymg Mar 2013 #39

Espionage should be prosecuted and leftynyc Mar 2013 #40

+1 leveymg Mar 2013 #42

OK. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #46

The OSP-AIPAC indictments showed AIPAC is not in compliance with FARA, and how the group leveymg Mar 2013 #48

If no two-state solution, then Israel has to become a true democracy with civil rights and no_hypocrisy Mar 2013 #3

+1,000,000 TexasProgresive Mar 2013 #6

First of all, Israel is already a true democracy. aranthus Mar 2013 #50

Unfortunately, a two-state solution is the only thing that could work in the foreseeable future LeftishBrit Mar 2013 #10

how is it that a 2 state solution is even remotely workable in the forseseeable future? cali Mar 2013 #12

How is the US to persuade Israel to halt settlements if we don't threaten to cut off foreign aid? leveymg Mar 2013 #16

I didn't say that was going to happen, cali Mar 2013 #18

The US has cut off, or limited aid to Israel of various types at times, and may well again. leveymg Mar 2013 #23

That was when Israel was treated as an ally instead geek tragedy Mar 2013 #30

"Nothing else" is not the same as "this". Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2013 #25

There's always the one state solution Challenger1 Mar 2013 #20

Two-state solution is a talking point, not a meaningful goal. geek tragedy Mar 2013 #24

The two-state solution, based in the Oslo Accords, is the foundation of US I/P policy leveymg Mar 2013 #28

"the foundation of US I/P policy" geek tragedy Mar 2013 #29

A complete failure? Complete failure would be a genocidal war. leveymg Mar 2013 #31

George H W Bush was far tougher on Israel geek tragedy Mar 2013 #32

You're right about Congress. But, (and I am pleasantly surprised by this) the White House leveymg Mar 2013 #34

The policy seems to be one of disengagement, with geek tragedy Mar 2013 #35

+1 leveymg Mar 2013 #37

a thread about a one state solution azurnoir Mar 2013 #44

+1000 Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #57

I found this interesting: Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2013 #53