Israel/Palestine

shira

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96. How do you know? 10's of thousands of settlers will violently resist...

Sun Jul 14, 2013, 10:47 PM

Jul 2013

...being taken out of their homes in the W.Bank. They will elect to stay.

And rather than demonize all settlers, you should read the following:

With settlers' help, Palestinians to get new homes
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113418516

Settlers give pre-Passover bread to nearby Palestinians
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113437589

Think you know who the settlers are? Think again
http://www.democraticunderground.com/113420215#post1

Rabbi Menachem Froman's Unique Legacy of Jewish-Muslim Coexistence
http://forward.com/articles/172271/rabbi-menachem-fromans-unique-legacy-of-jewish-mus/#ixzz2Z51fFyDF

Arabs and Israelis Meet in Hebron to Discuss Co-Existence Despite Fear of Reprisals
http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/05/10/arabs-and-israelis-meet-in-hebron-to-discuss-co-existence-despite-fear-of-reprisals-video/

The vast majority have no problem living alongside Palestinians peacefully. You're thinking of the Kahanist crazies that make up a very small percentage.

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Into the Fray: Brain dead on the Right? [View all] shira Jun 2013 OP

the reality.....never a strong point for the far right and left pelsar Jun 2013 #1

The author, Martin Sherman, is against 2 states too... shira Jun 2013 #2

of course hes got a point.... pelsar Jun 2013 #3

progressives don't deserve to be on that list. Ken Burch Jun 2013 #5

You can't demand that the democratic change in the PA happen while the Occupation continues. Ken Burch Jun 2013 #6

What's your plan B if the solution you prefer fails? n/t shira Jun 2013 #8

Keep trying, and find some way to get people talking. Ken Burch Jun 2013 #10

No, no...I'm asking what's your plan B when your solution fails? shira Jul 2013 #17

So you have no plan B, right? n/t shira Jul 2013 #27

Asking for a "Plan B" is meaningless. I'm not OBLIGATED to have a "Plan B". Ken Burch Jul 2013 #31

So if by some chance, after LOTS of negotiations & Israel doing everything.... shira Jul 2013 #38

That wouldn't happen. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #39

You don't know that. It's what Hamas is all about... shira Jul 2013 #48

I support free speech and you know it. I oppose tyrants and you know it. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #50

But you supported a tyrant like Chavez who was against free speech. n/t shira Jul 2013 #57

I didn't agree with his decision to take the rich man's station off the cable network Ken Burch Jul 2013 #58

Chavez brutally suppressed free speech far worse than just that... shira Jul 2013 #64

Human Rights Watch is not a reliable source on human rights issues. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #65

Your defense of Chavez speaks volumes. And HRW routinely hammers Israel.... shira Jul 2013 #66

The question of having a "Plan B" is meaningless. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #32

Jordan? pelsar Jul 2013 #12

Societies that don't respect basic civil rights AREN'T acceptable. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #13

i believe in self interest.... pelsar Jul 2013 #15

Democracy only came out of POSTWAR occupations, not thing kind your army is doing. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #21

you live in a real fantasy world...that much is certain... pelsar Jul 2013 #49

So, in the end, it appears that you're still accepting all of the following old assumptions: Ken Burch Jul 2013 #54

is it inaccurate?..of course pelsar Jul 2013 #55

I have never said it wasn't a good thing that Israel exists. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #56

this is an example why you don't dislike dictators.... pelsar Jul 2013 #67

Not the dictator mentality at all. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #68

We know by now ...... pelsar Jul 2013 #69

Burch is part of the Totalitarian Left, which is what the Euston Manifesto opposes shira Jul 2013 #75

I see all sorts of shades of grey(although I'm going to resist saying the number "Fifty") Ken Burch Jul 2013 #89

Your #65 shows you support totalitarian rule... shira Jul 2013 #93

It's a despicable lie to say I'm promoting a theocratic anti-civil rights government Ken Burch Jul 2013 #23

i cant think of many reasons..... pelsar Jul 2013 #70

I can believe that it could and probably would have different values Ken Burch Jul 2013 #71

its doesnt make sense to you... pelsar Jul 2013 #72

Your interpretation the Egyptian and Gazan votes was simply too sweeping Ken Burch Jul 2013 #73

nope....you dont get to make conclusions pelsar Jul 2013 #74

That only applied to POSTWAR occupations. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #76

seems you missed the question... pelsar Jul 2013 #77

The occupations after world war II didn't PRODUCE democracy. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #78

i forgot ...you believe in the tooth fairly. pelsar Jul 2013 #79

It had nothing to with submitting to U.S. domination. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #80

ah....After the war, the people saw the truth on their own pelsar Jul 2013 #81

The only other common point was military victory by one side over the other. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #82

thats not called research..... pelsar Jul 2013 #83

Education about democracy also occurred-but the success of that Ken Burch Jul 2013 #85

a better system pelsar Jul 2013 #86

I change my conclusions with learning as well. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #88

baby steps.... pelsar Jul 2013 #91

I never said Palestinians are "limited" and you know it. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #92

i dont twist your word... i just interpret them.... pelsar Jul 2013 #97

Democracy emerged in India in SPITE of the British Empire(the occupiers there) Ken Burch Jul 2013 #98

i never said it cant happen... pelsar Jul 2013 #99

You aren't talking about Israel, dude. delrem Jul 2013 #100

pay attention.... pelsar Jul 2013 #102

I think everyone who has a lick of common sense delrem Jul 2013 #106

thats why your "common sense" has no meaning pelsar Jul 2013 #107

I will accept the above statements as pelsar's full response, delrem Jul 2013 #108

thats what i like about this place..... pelsar Jul 2013 #109

You're not entitled to talk down to people. Stop it already. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #110

1: its called freedom of speach: 2: you do it as well 3: its called tolerance pelsar Jul 2013 #112

The Afrikaaners would have approved of that logic. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #53

I've found that those accusing Israel of Apartheid turn out to be the biggest supporters... shira Jul 2013 #59

Hey, congrats, you've surrendered the possibility of being a Light Unto the Nations, geek tragedy Jul 2013 #60

Exactly my point. You support Apartheid vs. Palestinians throughout the mideast... shira Jul 2013 #63

So, basically, he's against anything that could EVER lead to peace. Ken Burch Jun 2013 #4

I never said I endorsed Sherman's solution shira Jun 2013 #7

Look, democracy's great(although the west doesn't have an exclusive franchise on it Ken Burch Jun 2013 #9

justice? pelsar Jul 2013 #11

It's never. ever been about ME. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #14

Democracy can never be real ???? pelsar Jul 2013 #16

There are a lot of questionable aspects of Japanese "democracy". Ken Burch Jul 2013 #19

What's going on in Egypt isn't democracy. The vast majority still want sharia.... shira Jul 2013 #18

I do believe in helping out seculars and progressives. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #20

But nothing you and yours advocate would help seculars/progressives there... shira Jul 2013 #26

I favor freedom of speech as much as you do. And Chavez DID allow it. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #30

Chavez didn't allow it. Here's HRW on his authoritarian legacy... shira Jul 2013 #40

What's going on in Egypt IS about democracy. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #22

Democracy is about more than just an election... shira Jul 2013 #25

The U.S., at its birth in 1789, was pretty much just as repressive as Hamas is now. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #29

No they weren't. And even if they were, it's 250 years later.... shira Jul 2013 #41

There is no way to get peace, ever, without having 2 states. There is nothing else that can work. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #43

But Hamas and the PLO want more than 2 states... shira Jul 2013 #47

It's telling that you seem to equate "justice" with "barbarity". Ken Burch Jul 2013 #24

wow..is all im gong to say.. pelsar Jul 2013 #33

"Freedom from want" is a phrase coined by Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #34

you want zombies... pelsar Jul 2013 #35

Uh, no, I dont want anybody to be a "zombie" Ken Burch Jul 2013 #36

you've made yourself very very clear.... pelsar Jul 2013 #37

Again, I'm not calling for free speech to be delayed. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #42

no..Freedom of speach is not dependent upon anything...zilch pelsar Jul 2013 #44

societies that ONLY have freedom of speech are never societies where the poor ever win. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #45

that makes no sense....because it doesnt exist.... pelsar Jul 2013 #46

Oh, he favors ethnic cleansing. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #52

No more than you do by wanting all 300-500,000 settlers ethnically cleansed... shira Jul 2013 #61

The settlers aren't legitimate residents of the territories. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #84

Bless you for how thoroughly you count the snakes in the pit. delrem Jul 2013 #87

Thanks for the support. Sorry you had to turn off the filters. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #90

silencing debate pelsar Jul 2013 #114

I never said that speech or debate has to be limited Ken Burch Jul 2013 #115

of course i have to right to insult....your good at it pelsar Jul 2013 #116

funny thing with that concept of arbitration Ken Burch Jul 2013 #117

the problem with your censorist* pelsar Jul 2013 #118

criticizing your country's government is not an insult to your family. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #119

first off..i decide if I've been insulted ....not you pelsar Jul 2013 #120

Then kindly tell me what exactly IS insulting to you, your famiily, your "clan" as you see it. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #121

its not about being limited....its about respecting our culture pelsar Jul 2013 #122

I go to the comments sections at Haaretz and other Israeli papers Ken Burch Jul 2013 #123

and they are being very disrespectful..... pelsar Jul 2013 #124

Small point: by birth, you are American Ken Burch Jul 2013 #125

is there a "single' israeli culture... pelsar Jul 2013 #126

I am not insulting towards the Arab countries. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #127

how much of your speech are you willing to give up.... pelsar Jul 2013 #128

But your culture DOESN'T equate criticism of your politicians to insulting them. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #129

so you do want to "shut me up".... pelsar Jul 2013 #130

I am more in agreement with you .... Israeli Jul 2013 #131

Thanks for that, Israeli. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #132

israeli.... pelsar Jul 2013 #133

pelsar... Israeli Jul 2013 #134

oh that..... pelsar Jul 2013 #135

"playing with him" !!!!!!! Israeli Jul 2013 #136

Jews would be there if they hadn't been ethnically cleansed in 1948 shira Jul 2013 #94

They don't want to live there as Palestinian citizens, though. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #95

How do you know? 10's of thousands of settlers will violently resist... shira Jul 2013 #96

Yes, they will violently resist. Not because they want to live as Palestinian citizens or in peace Ken Burch Jul 2013 #111

What did you think of those links? You're generalizing for all settlers, aren't you? n/t shira Jul 2013 #113

before you answer this : Israeli Jul 2013 #101

I wasn't the one saying they were a small percentage. Shira was. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #103

I know ... Israeli Jul 2013 #105

So how do you account for the articles cited, showing settlers wanting peace.... shira Jul 2013 #104

Well, you know what they say: COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #28

So, the author favors apartheid, since they reject one and two state solutions. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #51

Nah, he's for giving Palestinians citizenship in a 1-state scenario shira Jul 2013 #62