Israel/Palestine

shira

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43. It's antizionism. You brought it up. Being an antizionist....

Fri Jul 26, 2013, 07:13 AM

Jul 2013

...means you're against Jewish nationalism and against Israel's existence.

If you didn't know that, then don't claim to be making only antizionist arguments.

And again, there's no such thing as no blacks allowed housing in Israel. That's complete bullshit.

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There is nothing remotely progressive in today's left-wing loathing of Israel [View all] shira Jul 2013 OP

Am a liberal and I don't hate Israel. I want the best for Israel. But until they and southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #1

I think it is completely justified. Deep13 Jul 2013 #2

Exactly! Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #4

The OP is about intense loathing, not criticism. shira Jul 2013 #28

Agreed. The OP employs straw man arguments and broad brush generalizations to attempt to GoneFishin Jul 2013 #6

Again, the OP isn't about objective criticism of Israeli policy.... shira Jul 2013 #29

Most criticism of Israeli policy ISN'T based on "intense loathing". Ken Burch Jul 2013 #58

Then what's with the nazi comparisons, false accusations of organ harvesting.... shira Jul 2013 #77

There were one or two crazies talking about "organ harvesting", not the Left as a group. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #86

I agree. bravenak Jul 2013 #11

The OP never claims criticism of Israel is antisemitic... shira Jul 2013 #30

Well it did say there is a thin line between antizionisn and antisemitism. Nt bravenak Jul 2013 #36

So being against only one form of nationalism & against only one state's existence.... shira Jul 2013 #37

Who said that? I dont know what you're talking about. bravenak Jul 2013 #42

It's antizionism. You brought it up. Being an antizionist.... shira Jul 2013 #43

Is it bullshit? bravenak Jul 2013 #44

You brought up the thin line b/w anti-zionism and anti-semitism. Don't back down now.... shira Jul 2013 #46

That statement was in the article . bravenak Jul 2013 #47

Okay, so anti-zionists have a problem w/ jewish nationalism.... shira Jul 2013 #48

Plenty of other nations are despised on a far deeper and wider level globally. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #60

The Left doesn't compare N.Korea to the Nazis, doesn't call for BDS against NK.... shira Jul 2013 #83

It isn't the Left pushing the UN to pass those resolutions. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #89

The Israel bashing Left fully supports UN efforts against Israel shira Aug 2013 #116

There IS no intense loathing that is unique only to Israel. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #59

You believe intense, unique loathing & vitriolic hatred of Israel is justified? shira Jul 2013 #34

If you paid attention, you'd see the same criticism of the US here. Nothing unique about it leveymg Jul 2013 #51

It's not the same. America's policies are not routinely compared to that of the Nazis.... shira Jul 2013 #53

It's not that routine. I did a quick Google search and there were no such negative references leveymg Jul 2013 #56

Actually, U.S. foreign policies have OFTEN been compared to Nazi Germany's Ken Burch Jul 2013 #61

"The fact that Israel is seen as different to every other state" curlyred Jul 2013 #3

But there are no other nations intensely hated and loathed... shira Jul 2013 #31

I think it's the expectation curlyred Jul 2013 #50

It ISN'T "only Israel". Ken Burch Jul 2013 #62

Sure it is, ONLY Israel. Where's the BDS campaign vs. China for Tibet? shira Aug 2013 #115

This is nothing more than a poorly conceived and written emotional plea Renew Deal Jul 2013 #5

The OP doesn't claim Israel is above scrutiny... shira Jul 2013 #32

The fact that the writer said that critics of the Israeli government "intensely loathe" Israel Ken Burch Jul 2013 #63

WOW. Talk about a stretch of the imagination. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #7

There's intense, vitriolic hating and loathing of Israel that is unique.... shira Jul 2013 #33

No there isn't. There is simply legitimate criticism. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #65

Nazi comparisons are legit? BDS only against Israel is legit... shira Jul 2013 #79

The Left isn't responsible for what the UN does. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #85

The Israel bashing Left fully supports the UN against Israel, however.... shira Jul 2013 #95

Why SHOULD Israel be on the Security Council? Ken Burch Jul 2013 #106

Like every other country, they should be eligible for the UNSCR... shira Jul 2013 #107

Most other countries never end up on the Security Council. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #111

But all other nations are eligible. Why should the UN discriminate vs. Israel alone..... shira Jul 2013 #113

Interesting responses you got to this post oberliner Jul 2013 #8

Well, it does appear in the "latest" tab and is a stupid anti-left article Scootaloo Jul 2013 #10

The author is a Marxist oberliner Jul 2013 #16

Indeed that's what his bio says... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #18

I'll defer to you on that oberliner Jul 2013 #20

He USED to be a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party; like many such people, he has moved to LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #119

And not one substantive reply... shira Jul 2013 #12

I'd like to have that discussion oberliner Jul 2013 #15

No, you can't as evidenced by repeated conflation of a government with a religion. nt. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #17

That's one reason oberliner Jul 2013 #19

Well, it's not a substantive blog post. Scootaloo Jul 2013 #21

Thats an evasion shira Jul 2013 #23

No, it's simple statement of fact Scootaloo Jul 2013 #25

You evaded the OP's main argument & argued a straw man instead.... shira Jul 2013 #27

You didn't read what you posted, I take it Scootaloo Jul 2013 #39

First world progressive western forces have destroyed 2 countries... shira Jul 2013 #40

Indeed they have. See anyone giving them a round of applause for it? Scootaloo Jul 2013 #41

You don't consider Israel to be a first world progressive western democracy... shira Jul 2013 #45

No, I'm asking if YOU do Scootaloo Jul 2013 #66

actually your comparisons dont work... pelsar Jul 2013 #68

I really wish Israel was held to the same standards as all other western progressive.... shira Jul 2013 #82

At this point, your only argument amounts to "NUH UH!" Scootaloo Jul 2013 #90

You argue dishonestly. What happened to Israel compared to the US, UK, or Australia? shira Jul 2013 #91

And the Left has denounced what those "progressive western forces" did and still do. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #74

Not with BDS, nor with obsessive UN focus. No Nazi comparisons.... shira Jul 2013 #80

The OP didn't MAKE a real argument to support his assertion Ken Burch Jul 2013 #69

Sure it did. When criticism of Israel is anti-zionist in nature.... shira Jul 2013 #84

bullshit-based OP's tend to get "interesting responses". Ken Burch Jul 2013 #64

Not like this oberliner Jul 2013 #67

I don't think that all that much of it is based on Israel being associated with "Jewishness" Ken Burch Jul 2013 #70

Thanks for your thoughtful reply oberliner Jul 2013 #72

At the very least, there is an argument made, and made over and over again Ken Burch Jul 2013 #73

I disagree oberliner Jul 2013 #75

So much for your reasonable discussion with Ken. n/t shira Aug 2013 #114

Another example of having an answer and trying to make the questions fit it. Scootaloo Jul 2013 #9

Not really. See #12. Nt shira Jul 2013 #13

cool story, bro frylock Jul 2013 #14

Israel isn't blameless WatermelonRat Jul 2013 #22

+1. nt shira Jul 2013 #24

I don't "loathe" Israel. I'm just tired of hearing about it. KansDem Jul 2013 #26

the government or Israel is racist with it's ads for no blacks in housing and when it comes to ghaza boilerbabe Jul 2013 #35

So why the intense loathing that is unique only to Israel? shira Jul 2013 #38

There isn't such a thing as Israel-only intense loathing, at least not on a significant scale Ken Burch Jul 2013 #87

Which irrelevant ultra-left crazies with no following are saying outrageous things? shira Jul 2013 #96

Don't prevaricate. bravenak Jul 2013 #98

He partly gets it. aranthus Jul 2013 #49

Good post shira Jul 2013 #55

I used to be a big Israeli supporter since it's inception My support started to wane when they demosincebirth Jul 2013 #52

That's me too, to at least some degree Ken Burch Jul 2013 #71

I loathe israel as much as they loathe arabs. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #54

+100 bravenak Jul 2013 #99

I don't hate Israel OR modernity. Nor do any of the people that I know of Ken Burch Jul 2013 #57

Good, so start denouncing those who equate Israeli policy with the Nazis.... shira Jul 2013 #81

I've watched Israel since 1967... nebenaube Jul 2013 #76

What about the treaty with Egypt? oberliner Jul 2013 #92

My take on Israel. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #78

Israel has a pretty good social services program oberliner Jul 2013 #93

Yeah, I took a quick look at that last night. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #109

bullshit article that was`t worth reading madrchsod Jul 2013 #88

Yet it was worth commenting on oberliner Jul 2013 #94

thank you madrchsod Jul 2013 #97

The comment was sarcastic oberliner Jul 2013 #100

Most people are unaware of Zionist history lofty1 Jul 2013 #101

As one of the "founders" of Israel, we do have a responsibility SA-Bound Jul 2013 #102

That's a denial of historic and cultural ties to the land.... shira Jul 2013 #103

True, but it still doesn't make sense SA-Bound Jul 2013 #104

And it's enough to express that bond by living on the Israeli side of the Green Line Ken Burch Jul 2013 #105

You insist on strict '67 lines with all settlements removed... shira Jul 2013 #108

What I just proposed would be more complex than that. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #110

I could not agree with you more Ken.... Israeli Jul 2013 #112

Moral narcissism and the MLA�s obsession with Israel shira Mar 2014 #117

It is not progressive to loathe Israel or any country or people... LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #118

At least we agree there's nothing progressive in loathing Israel, Israelis, Zionists, etc.. shira Mar 2014 #120

"...trying to encourage the attitude that one can't be both left-wing and pro-Israel" shira Mar 2014 #121