Israel/Palestine

Ken Burch

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110. What I just proposed would be more complex than that.

Reply to shira (Reply #108)

Sun Jul 28, 2013, 10:38 PM

Jul 2013

Did you actually read the suggestion I made in the last post?

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There is nothing remotely progressive in today's left-wing loathing of Israel [View all] shira Jul 2013 OP

Am a liberal and I don't hate Israel. I want the best for Israel. But until they and southernyankeebelle Jul 2013 #1

I think it is completely justified. Deep13 Jul 2013 #2

Exactly! Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #4

The OP is about intense loathing, not criticism. shira Jul 2013 #28

Agreed. The OP employs straw man arguments and broad brush generalizations to attempt to GoneFishin Jul 2013 #6

Again, the OP isn't about objective criticism of Israeli policy.... shira Jul 2013 #29

Most criticism of Israeli policy ISN'T based on "intense loathing". Ken Burch Jul 2013 #58

Then what's with the nazi comparisons, false accusations of organ harvesting.... shira Jul 2013 #77

There were one or two crazies talking about "organ harvesting", not the Left as a group. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #86

I agree. bravenak Jul 2013 #11

The OP never claims criticism of Israel is antisemitic... shira Jul 2013 #30

Well it did say there is a thin line between antizionisn and antisemitism. Nt bravenak Jul 2013 #36

So being against only one form of nationalism & against only one state's existence.... shira Jul 2013 #37

Who said that? I dont know what you're talking about. bravenak Jul 2013 #42

It's antizionism. You brought it up. Being an antizionist.... shira Jul 2013 #43

Is it bullshit? bravenak Jul 2013 #44

You brought up the thin line b/w anti-zionism and anti-semitism. Don't back down now.... shira Jul 2013 #46

That statement was in the article . bravenak Jul 2013 #47

Okay, so anti-zionists have a problem w/ jewish nationalism.... shira Jul 2013 #48

Plenty of other nations are despised on a far deeper and wider level globally. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #60

The Left doesn't compare N.Korea to the Nazis, doesn't call for BDS against NK.... shira Jul 2013 #83

It isn't the Left pushing the UN to pass those resolutions. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #89

The Israel bashing Left fully supports UN efforts against Israel shira Aug 2013 #116

There IS no intense loathing that is unique only to Israel. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #59

You believe intense, unique loathing & vitriolic hatred of Israel is justified? shira Jul 2013 #34

If you paid attention, you'd see the same criticism of the US here. Nothing unique about it leveymg Jul 2013 #51

It's not the same. America's policies are not routinely compared to that of the Nazis.... shira Jul 2013 #53

It's not that routine. I did a quick Google search and there were no such negative references leveymg Jul 2013 #56

Actually, U.S. foreign policies have OFTEN been compared to Nazi Germany's Ken Burch Jul 2013 #61

"The fact that Israel is seen as different to every other state" curlyred Jul 2013 #3

But there are no other nations intensely hated and loathed... shira Jul 2013 #31

I think it's the expectation curlyred Jul 2013 #50

It ISN'T "only Israel". Ken Burch Jul 2013 #62

Sure it is, ONLY Israel. Where's the BDS campaign vs. China for Tibet? shira Aug 2013 #115

This is nothing more than a poorly conceived and written emotional plea Renew Deal Jul 2013 #5

The OP doesn't claim Israel is above scrutiny... shira Jul 2013 #32

The fact that the writer said that critics of the Israeli government "intensely loathe" Israel Ken Burch Jul 2013 #63

WOW. Talk about a stretch of the imagination. WCLinolVir Jul 2013 #7

There's intense, vitriolic hating and loathing of Israel that is unique.... shira Jul 2013 #33

No there isn't. There is simply legitimate criticism. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #65

Nazi comparisons are legit? BDS only against Israel is legit... shira Jul 2013 #79

The Left isn't responsible for what the UN does. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #85

The Israel bashing Left fully supports the UN against Israel, however.... shira Jul 2013 #95

Why SHOULD Israel be on the Security Council? Ken Burch Jul 2013 #106

Like every other country, they should be eligible for the UNSCR... shira Jul 2013 #107

Most other countries never end up on the Security Council. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #111

But all other nations are eligible. Why should the UN discriminate vs. Israel alone..... shira Jul 2013 #113

Interesting responses you got to this post oberliner Jul 2013 #8

Well, it does appear in the "latest" tab and is a stupid anti-left article Scootaloo Jul 2013 #10

The author is a Marxist oberliner Jul 2013 #16

Indeed that's what his bio says... Scootaloo Jul 2013 #18

I'll defer to you on that oberliner Jul 2013 #20

He USED to be a member of the Revolutionary Communist Party; like many such people, he has moved to LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #119

And not one substantive reply... shira Jul 2013 #12

I'd like to have that discussion oberliner Jul 2013 #15

No, you can't as evidenced by repeated conflation of a government with a religion. nt. GoneFishin Jul 2013 #17

That's one reason oberliner Jul 2013 #19

Well, it's not a substantive blog post. Scootaloo Jul 2013 #21

Thats an evasion shira Jul 2013 #23

No, it's simple statement of fact Scootaloo Jul 2013 #25

You evaded the OP's main argument & argued a straw man instead.... shira Jul 2013 #27

You didn't read what you posted, I take it Scootaloo Jul 2013 #39

First world progressive western forces have destroyed 2 countries... shira Jul 2013 #40

Indeed they have. See anyone giving them a round of applause for it? Scootaloo Jul 2013 #41

You don't consider Israel to be a first world progressive western democracy... shira Jul 2013 #45

No, I'm asking if YOU do Scootaloo Jul 2013 #66

actually your comparisons dont work... pelsar Jul 2013 #68

I really wish Israel was held to the same standards as all other western progressive.... shira Jul 2013 #82

At this point, your only argument amounts to "NUH UH!" Scootaloo Jul 2013 #90

You argue dishonestly. What happened to Israel compared to the US, UK, or Australia? shira Jul 2013 #91

And the Left has denounced what those "progressive western forces" did and still do. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #74

Not with BDS, nor with obsessive UN focus. No Nazi comparisons.... shira Jul 2013 #80

The OP didn't MAKE a real argument to support his assertion Ken Burch Jul 2013 #69

Sure it did. When criticism of Israel is anti-zionist in nature.... shira Jul 2013 #84

bullshit-based OP's tend to get "interesting responses". Ken Burch Jul 2013 #64

Not like this oberliner Jul 2013 #67

I don't think that all that much of it is based on Israel being associated with "Jewishness" Ken Burch Jul 2013 #70

Thanks for your thoughtful reply oberliner Jul 2013 #72

At the very least, there is an argument made, and made over and over again Ken Burch Jul 2013 #73

I disagree oberliner Jul 2013 #75

So much for your reasonable discussion with Ken. n/t shira Aug 2013 #114

Another example of having an answer and trying to make the questions fit it. Scootaloo Jul 2013 #9

Not really. See #12. Nt shira Jul 2013 #13

cool story, bro frylock Jul 2013 #14

Israel isn't blameless WatermelonRat Jul 2013 #22

+1. nt shira Jul 2013 #24

I don't "loathe" Israel. I'm just tired of hearing about it. KansDem Jul 2013 #26

the government or Israel is racist with it's ads for no blacks in housing and when it comes to ghaza boilerbabe Jul 2013 #35

So why the intense loathing that is unique only to Israel? shira Jul 2013 #38

There isn't such a thing as Israel-only intense loathing, at least not on a significant scale Ken Burch Jul 2013 #87

Which irrelevant ultra-left crazies with no following are saying outrageous things? shira Jul 2013 #96

Don't prevaricate. bravenak Jul 2013 #98

He partly gets it. aranthus Jul 2013 #49

Good post shira Jul 2013 #55

I used to be a big Israeli supporter since it's inception My support started to wane when they demosincebirth Jul 2013 #52

That's me too, to at least some degree Ken Burch Jul 2013 #71

I loathe israel as much as they loathe arabs. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #54

+100 bravenak Jul 2013 #99

I don't hate Israel OR modernity. Nor do any of the people that I know of Ken Burch Jul 2013 #57

Good, so start denouncing those who equate Israeli policy with the Nazis.... shira Jul 2013 #81

I've watched Israel since 1967... nebenaube Jul 2013 #76

What about the treaty with Egypt? oberliner Jul 2013 #92

My take on Israel. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #78

Israel has a pretty good social services program oberliner Jul 2013 #93

Yeah, I took a quick look at that last night. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #109

bullshit article that was`t worth reading madrchsod Jul 2013 #88

Yet it was worth commenting on oberliner Jul 2013 #94

thank you madrchsod Jul 2013 #97

The comment was sarcastic oberliner Jul 2013 #100

Most people are unaware of Zionist history lofty1 Jul 2013 #101

As one of the "founders" of Israel, we do have a responsibility SA-Bound Jul 2013 #102

That's a denial of historic and cultural ties to the land.... shira Jul 2013 #103

True, but it still doesn't make sense SA-Bound Jul 2013 #104

And it's enough to express that bond by living on the Israeli side of the Green Line Ken Burch Jul 2013 #105

You insist on strict '67 lines with all settlements removed... shira Jul 2013 #108

What I just proposed would be more complex than that. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #110

I could not agree with you more Ken.... Israeli Jul 2013 #112

Moral narcissism and the MLA�s obsession with Israel shira Mar 2014 #117

It is not progressive to loathe Israel or any country or people... LeftishBrit Mar 2014 #118

At least we agree there's nothing progressive in loathing Israel, Israelis, Zionists, etc.. shira Mar 2014 #120

"...trying to encourage the attitude that one can't be both left-wing and pro-Israel" shira Mar 2014 #121