Israel/Palestine

pelsar

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36. at what cost?

Tue Jul 30, 2013, 03:08 AM

Jul 2013

ok...i have no problem with your belief...at lets assume unlike so many others its not a religious belief where no matter what happens, its always considered a step in the right direction. (as per Kens)

what would be the cost that you would revise your belief and decide that it was mistake, it didnt work
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any belief that is not "religious' will always be able to acknowledge that it one can be wrong and that perhaps the other options (and there are always other options) were a better solution.

(example being: Zimbabwa, removing the apartheid govt while good, its replacement i would say is an utter failure, with the creation of a failed state and other options would have been better)

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right...that's why you quote a 1-stater like Gideon Levy. n/t shira Jul 2013 #7

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Yeah, the Clinton Initiatives @ Taba was very fair... shira Jul 2013 #19

been thru this with you already .... Israeli Jul 2013 #24

No, he just took a vacation rather than respond. LOL... shira Jul 2013 #27

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I also think it's a shame as I too wish it were accepted & the conflict finished shira Jul 2013 #38

Here is the poster you're addressing going on about a future Palestinian State azurnoir Jul 2013 #30

azurnoir Israeli Jul 2013 #34

I know but the twists and turns that arebeing taken can be ummm interesting azurnoir Jul 2013 #35

I'm for a genuinely peaceful, more liberal Palestinian state alongside Israel shira Jul 2013 #39

ah shira a reminder azurnoir Jul 2013 #46

But unlike Abbas, neither I nor anyone else is calling for the expulsion.... shira Jul 2013 #47

you mean just like Israeli's live in Palestinian areas of the West Bank now ? azurnoir Jul 2013 #48

Whether Israelis or not. Jews should be able to buy & own land in the WB shira Jul 2013 #49

yes and I also recognized the what 100's, 10's, 1's, anyone? that have been executed under the law azurnoir Jul 2013 #50

That's the racist, apartheid Palestine you hypocritically support while bashing Israel... shira Jul 2013 #51

Thank you shira you make yourself very clear here azurnoir Jul 2013 #52

Depends on whether you're for genuine peace or just any kind... shira Jul 2013 #53

not any kind of peace but it must be an special kind of peace-again a reminder azurnoir Jul 2013 #54

I don't understand your point. Be more clear please? n/t shira Jul 2013 #55

well shira what's the difference between a 1 state solution azurnoir Jul 2013 #56

Uh....how about self-determination for both groups of people? shira Jul 2013 #59

as it is Israel can very easily vote against the wishes of its Arab population azurnoir Jul 2013 #60

And if the 20% don't like it & can do nothing to change things.... shira Jul 2013 #61

so for an Arab citizen of Israel it's azurnoir Jul 2013 #63

Jews would have the same choice within a future Palestine... shira Jul 2013 #64

except that the folks you're telling Israel love it or leave it azurnoir Aug 2013 #73

Same choice for Jews in a future Palestine. Love it or leave it.... shira Aug 2013 #74

so Israel will abandon it's Jewish citizens in Palestine? azurnoir Aug 2013 #75

Why are you so against Jews wishing to live in Palestine? shira Aug 2013 #76

don't want to answer tthe questions so instead you make azurnoir Aug 2013 #77

How would I know what Israel would do in the event citizenship was offered.... shira Aug 2013 #78

still making accusations I see the question of whether or not the settlers in Palestine azurnoir Aug 2013 #79

Your question only becomes relevant once Abbas says Jews are welcome.... shira Aug 2013 #81

Still don't want to answer I take it azurnoir Aug 2013 #82

How would I know what Israel would do if Abbas welcomed Jews to Palestine? shira Aug 2013 #83

Jordan's not willing shaayecanaan Aug 2013 #80

"The establishment of a Palestinian state was considered no less subversive..." Scootaloo Jul 2013 #3

You can't possibly believe a 1-state solution could work... shira Jul 2013 #5

Well, the two-state solution hasn't exactly produced any successes Scootaloo Jul 2013 #8

Because neither Hamas or Fatah is interested... shira Jul 2013 #10

This message was self-deleted by its author Scootaloo Jul 2013 #14

You have no idea why I think so? You won't even try? n/t Scootaloo Jul 2013 #15

I honestly cannot think of 1 good reason for 1-state shira Jul 2013 #16

That's a pretty weak argument, Shira Scootaloo Jul 2013 #17

Look around the mideast today & what do you see? Religious strife, right? shira Jul 2013 #23

I see conflicts stemming from a wide variety of sources Scootaloo Jul 2013 #43

Abbas just took it up one notch, claiming no Jews allowed in future Palestine shira Jul 2013 #31

Might that because those Jews would also be considered citizens of Israel? delrem Jul 2013 #32

He meant that not one Jew would be allowed to live there. Plain and simple. shira Jul 2013 #42

No, not even Pamela Geller can get away with that! delrem Jul 2013 #57

There are no Jews in Jordan or Saudi Arabia either. You agree with that too? shira Jul 2013 #58

at what cost? pelsar Jul 2013 #36

Do you think I have a flowchart on my wall? Scootaloo Jul 2013 #40

no its just concept...and you've already judged the two state a failure pelsar Jul 2013 #44

You talk about your own self. The fact that you "can't get along". delrem Jul 2013 #20

But Israeli says she is against 1-state and supports two. We agree on that. shira Jul 2013 #21

Israeli's posts can't be reduced to nothing that way. delrem Jul 2013 #22

Then ask her here publicly. And you couldn't find one thing.... shira Jul 2013 #25

oh, fuck off. delrem Jul 2013 #26

See, you can't find one statement from the Arab Press.... shira Jul 2013 #28

Pamela, you suck. delrem Jul 2013 #29

hey shira ... Israeli Jul 2013 #37

So you're not against the settler version of 1-state? shira Jul 2013 #41

I'm against the settler version of anything shira . Israeli Jul 2013 #45

Do you prefer the PA/Hamas version of 1-state over the settler version? n/t shira Jul 2013 #62

Do I what ??? Israeli Aug 2013 #65

Don't backtrack now. You just said you're okay with 1-state if that comes to pass.... shira Aug 2013 #66

shira ... Israeli Aug 2013 #67

The BDS and 1-stater leftist friends of yours want Hamastine, 1-state shira Aug 2013 #68

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why do you use pre-1967 Jordan as a written in stone example of what an Arab nation would do? azurnoir Aug 2013 #90

The sites that I believe that you are talking about sabbat hunter Aug 2013 #91

Perhaps the UN did not live up to its 'obligations' because Israeli's murdered the UN negotiator? azurnoir Aug 2013 #92

why not leave that to the Israelis sabbat hunter Aug 2013 #93