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bravenak

(34,648 posts)
49. I know Shira I know.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:13 PM
Aug 2013

I just don't take you too seriously.
1. You know what I'm talking about but now your acting brand new.
2. I can have an opinion on anything I want too.
3. I lack faith remember. I'm an athiest.
4. Palestine's future progressivity is not an issue for me. My political ideology may not be what the people there want. They have to live there I don't.
5. Don't tell me about genuine racism. I've experienced enough of it to know what it looks like. I lived in neo naziville for a while. Besides this is America, a country founded on the backs of my ancestors. Land stolen from my other ancestors. We're still fighting voter ID today. My congressman calls people wetbacks.
6. In this particular forum I am only going to talk about Israel and/or Palestine. No Syria. No Egypt.
7. I'm not a part of an anti Israel movement.
8. I think we should stop trying so hard and spending so much money to remake other countries in our own image. We need to be repairing our own democracy. We have problems here in our country that we whitewash, ignore and explain away. Why should they listen to us? And be like us? We're not perfect and we have different ways of seeing the world. Change comes from within. Given enough time they'll figure out the right way to govern, by trial and error like us. We had a civil war. We had slavery. We had a genocide of native populations. We had the middle passage. It took a long time for us to get to where we are as a country it will take a long time for them as well.
Why should they not be given the opportunity to try to self govern? How are we more deserving of freedom?

Israel apparently likes to back non-democracies: aka dictatorships. R. Daneel Olivaw Aug 2013 #1
actually its a progressive stance.... pelsar Aug 2013 #31
again with progressives support Hamas azurnoir Aug 2013 #32
its the preferred option of the two...ask any progressive pelsar Aug 2013 #36
let's see azurnoir Aug 2013 #39
i have no idea what that means.... pelsar Aug 2013 #63
again azurnoir Aug 2013 #64
blind? pelsar Aug 2013 #65
I thought the army just tear gassed some protestors to death. bravenak Aug 2013 #2
Well, that ought to guarantee the Muslim Brotherhood the win. denverbill Aug 2013 #3
The option is Morsi and The Muslim Brotherhood King_David Aug 2013 #4
31% is a vast majority? Study shows opposition to Morsi ouster rises to 69% azurnoir Aug 2013 #6
Despite Bloodshed, Many Egyptians Support Military King_David Aug 2013 #9
I would say 31% could be called many azurnoir Aug 2013 #11
does that mean that, by extension, they also back Assad? MisterP Aug 2013 #5
Since Israel backs bloody dictators can we defund them? MarkLaw Aug 2013 #7
Short answer King_David Aug 2013 #10
People won't vote for them. The public doesn't support apartheid. MarkLaw Aug 2013 #12
Pleases me your posts are being hidden fast and furiously. NT King_David Aug 2013 #15
It pleases you that Israel won't have support? MarkLaw Aug 2013 #16
. King_David Aug 2013 #18
Democratic Party representatives will be out of a job for their support of Israel ? King_David Aug 2013 #19
hmmm try Minnesota for instance azurnoir Aug 2013 #37
Yea huge delegation from Minnesota King_David Aug 2013 #48
Like I said the electoral collage map tells all :) azurnoir Aug 2013 #52
Your views are extreme fringe for a reason. Not part of Democratic Platform. shira Aug 2013 #20
When did apartheid, racism, forced sterilization become democratic policies? MarkLaw Aug 2013 #23
They're not Dem policies b/c the accusations are crap from the ridonculous fringe. n/t shira Aug 2013 #25
Israel admitted implimenting all policies I linked above? MarkLaw Aug 2013 #27
You'll find Judges anywhere with all kinds of opinions. So what? shira Aug 2013 #30
READ THE LINKS, Israeli government sanctioned racism same as SEGREGATION AGAINST SOUTHERN BLACKS. MarkLaw Aug 2013 #33
The Israeli gov't made sure to protect these Ethiopian women.... shira Aug 2013 #43
Israel backs GENUINE democratic movements, not the neo-con type.... shira Aug 2013 #21
Israel isn't democratic. With racist marriage laws and forced sterilization of minorities MarkLaw Aug 2013 #22
Your allegations vs. Israel are bullshit. It's a progressive, liberal democracy.... shira Aug 2013 #24
THEY WERE TOLD "iF YOU DON'T TAKE THIS INJECTION, YOU'LL GET DEPORTED" MarkLaw Aug 2013 #28
How many were told? And certainly not by the government.... shira Aug 2013 #29
10 MILLION EGYPTIANS WERE PROTESTING, most protested MILITARY LIMITING PRESIDENTIAL POWERS MarkLaw Aug 2013 #34
"How many were told?" So it's alright for the government to sterilize a few, but not too many????? MarkLaw Aug 2013 #35
Don't bother putting her on ignore. bravenak Aug 2013 #41
Oh, you're back, good. Never got an answer from you on anti-Black racism.... shira Aug 2013 #44
Oh hey girl, what's cracking'! bravenak Aug 2013 #46
You have no answer on Palestinian racism b/c you've never been there..... shira Aug 2013 #47
I know Shira I know. bravenak Aug 2013 #49
Maybe I did make that one up.( I knew I'd read it some where.) bravenak Aug 2013 #50
I take it back. bravenak Aug 2013 #51
We agree there's racism in Israel, but that shit happens in EVERY country.... shira Aug 2013 #55
I still see that in 2008 57% of shots were given to black women. bravenak Aug 2013 #56
Wait - if this was state policy then why wasn't it universally applied? shira Aug 2013 #45
hmmm interesting choice of terms there shira azurnoir Aug 2013 #38
Memo to leaders of the world - whatever Israel says you should do, do the opposite Scootaloo Aug 2013 #8
bad example Mosby Aug 2013 #13
Fair enough Scootaloo Aug 2013 #14
That's sad. MarkLaw Aug 2013 #17
So you prefer a more oppressive Muslim Brotherhood dictatorship.... shira Aug 2013 #26
Again, shit that only exists in your head. Scootaloo Aug 2013 #40
No one here is cheering on Egypt's military. Only in your mind.... shira Aug 2013 #42
perhaps you need to post upstairs a bit more azurnoir Aug 2013 #53
Egypt's a mess like Syria. The best that can be hoped for.... shira Aug 2013 #54
so you or is it Israel knows what's best for Egypt azurnoir Aug 2013 #57
Me, Israel, Obama, the many millions of protesters in Egypt... n/t shira Aug 2013 #58
apparently Obama has put military aid to Egypt on hold azurnoir Aug 2013 #59
Obama admitted the MB leadership was no longer an ally.... shira Aug 2013 #61
Then why did Obama only withhold aid after Morsi was out of office? azurnoir Aug 2013 #62
about those millions-Study shows opposition to Morsi ouster rises to 69% azurnoir Aug 2013 #60
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