On Israel and Palestine

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47. See, there you go again with it...

But do you though? I MIGHT be wrong about this but I suspect you aren't actually this dumb or this bigoted, are you? No one is really as outright anti-Semitic as you act AND as dumb as you're pretending, who then chooses DU/IP over mondoweiss.

A trend of yours I've noticed, Shaktimaan - not unique to you, of course, but let's keep it simple. When you're presented with a problem that you can't answer just by copy-pasting someone else's thoughts and ideas, you simply act like a piqued seven year old, yell that someone is an "antisemite" and stomp off in a huff.

If you want to call someone else dumb, you're going to have to figure out how to start firing your own synapses, first. Right now all you've got is a very wordy way of saying exactly two things:
1) Israel is always right!
and
2) You're an antisemite!

Frankly if those two didn't rhyme, I doubt you could manage that much.

At this point it's obvious that you're either trolling or you are one of the least educated people on the planet. But you're not. Even my fucking cat knows the difference between civil and criminal and somehow you've gotten confused about it all over again not one notch lower.

I'm not confused at all. I simply see that you are a bullshit artist conducting a spin performance, trying to have multiple sides of the argument all at the same time. I understand the difference between civil and criminal infractions easily enough; I also understand that you're making an effort to confuse the issue, so you can put on this put-upon, whining, sniveling, stomping performance post here.

You tel Delrem that "discrimination is very much illegal in Israel." well, okay? How much is "very much?" I simply wanted you to show me how much it is illegal in Israel, with something more concrete than "it just is; a lot!" Caught like a ferret in a snare, you squirm and writhe around, attempt to evade the simple request, and make a point that it's not a criminal offense. Oh, okay, so I suppose a parking violation, or not paying the water bill are also things you would characterize as "very much illegal"?

It's pretty obvious that you're simply trying to handwave away the issue of discrimination in Israel, are unable to provide any examples of why Israel's anti-discrimination laws are so awesome and effective, and instead content yourself with whining when I mock you for talking out both ends of your body cavity.

All I wanted was for you to show me some examples of Israel's awesome record on being anti-discriminatory. It wouldn't have been too hard, but you can't fucking do it. I actually wonder at this, I imagine that there are plenty of bulleted lists for you to copy and paste, no thinking required on your part.

I suppose that this is because doing so would mean you have ot actually realize the reality of discrimination in Israel. Yes, I know that you say "Israel is not free of discrimination" but frankly there's a difference between just being aware of a fact, and knowing the fact. You can admit that there is discrimination in Israel when your own ass is in some rapidly-warming water, but this evidently doesn't extend towards citing actual examples of it. Even if doing so ends up making Israel look good.

What a fucking sycophant.

Even a sea cucumber would find his intellect offended by your refusal to retain this, one, single fact that anyone who has ever seen a Law and Order knows.

A sea cucumber? That was kinda witty. Did your cat write it?

So. Congratulations. You got me. I wasted hours of time trying to explain something I find important to a guy who was making fun of me the whole time.

I actually think you spent more time on this post, than all your others on this thread combined. I mean you called me an antisemite in the first salvo, so thinking up all these other insults must have been pretty time-consuming for you.

It wasn't wasted effort, by the way - unless, perhaps, you expected me to fall to my knees and yell, "Shaktimaan! You have shown me the light!" or something like that.

But since you brought it up, you're right, I don't take you very seriously. I don't take white nationalists very seriously, either.

See, when I run across someone who tells me that there ought to be a state, for one particular race, religion, or ethnic group, I begin to doubt that person's mental state. It's iffy, I mean, if someone wants to tell me that Punjabis ought to form a Punjab state in Punjab, I have serious questions, but maybe they have serious answers, right?

When they continue by asserting this dream-state of theirs must be established on top of someone else, no matter the cost, I realize they're just really fucking dumb. Establishing a Punjabi state on top of California just makes no damn sense at all.

And when they fail to understand the obvious problems of their grand idea, and simply scream about how racist I am for not supporting their crackpot ideology, I come to a conclusion - the only way this person could contribute to the world is if they threw themselves at a starving tiger.

Just because you espouse establishing a Jewish state on top of Arabs, rather than establishing a white state on top of blacks, or a Turkic state on top of Greeks, or a Japanese state on top of Manchurians, doesn't spare you from my judgement that your true calling in this world is sustenance for needy felines.

Now, to your credit, there are certainly worse examples of your particular philosophy running around here. You provide discussable content, and lack the batshit crazy of... other posters. I think you're at least sincere in your beliefs, as opposed to at least two others, for whom Israel seems to be little more than a revenge fantasy come to life.

This was never welcome back kotter, and I have paid work that I've been procrastinating on starting all weekend. Congratulations for wasting my time. You taught me a valuable lesson.

I don't get the Welcome Back Kotter reference.

Now, be honest. Are you really going to try to blames someone else for your decision to spend time doing this? I mean really, arguing about Israel / Palestine on the internet. I really wonder what sort of results you were hoping for, Shaktimaan, because my findings is that it's impossible to discuss hamburgers on the internet and reach a productive consensus. We've got a situation that's been going, unresolved, for over sixty years, and what, you think you'll resolve it by spending a day posting here?

Don't blame me for your procrastination, man.