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R. Daneel Olivaw

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310. Thanks. No matter what is posted about the plight of the Palestinians

Reply to bravenak (Reply #272)

Sun Nov 3, 2013, 10:35 PM

Nov 2013

there is always a contingent that calls it a lie or tries desperately to deflect attention away from it.

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Mr. President, Don�t Forget The Nakba [View all] R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 OP

(Mis)Interpreting Zionist History oberliner Mar 2013 #1

So... the Nakba never happened? Scootaloo Mar 2013 #4

As the Palestinians claim? No. aranthus Mar 2013 #6

So, you go with Zundel. Gotcha. Scootaloo Mar 2013 #7

And you go with denial and smear tactics. n/t aranthus Mar 2013 #9

Not much to smear. Scootaloo Mar 2013 #11

You think I'm a bad person because I don't buy into the lies. aranthus Mar 2013 #16

Oh yes, those lying dirty Arabs and their pallywood "Nakba Industry" Scootaloo Mar 2013 #26

Talk about denial. The Palestinians DID start the war in 1947. Pathetic! shira Mar 2013 #30

Yes, everything was completely peaceful until 1947! Scootaloo Mar 2013 #32

What were the evil Zionists up to until 1947? shira Mar 2013 #34

Most of those making the decisions on the Zionist side in 1947 weren't Holocaust survivors Ken Burch Dec 2013 #407

The argument is that prior to 1947, the Jews were invaders.... shira Dec 2013 #409

Wow. Don't know whether to laugh or cry JoDog Mar 2013 #31

No, the Arab Nations did not start the war in 1947 Scootaloo Mar 2013 #33

Its called fake historiography shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #46

You quoted from WRMEA? Why not Rense or Stormfront? shira Nov 2013 #327

re obama reference Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #352

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No, he agrees with me aranthus Mar 2013 #15

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Indeed, more. aranthus Mar 2013 #18

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Nonsense. aranthus Mar 2013 #22

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Your argument... Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #36

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Interesting. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #39

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Ok Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #41

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So sickeningly disingenuous of you. Ernst Zundel would be proud.... shira Mar 2013 #43

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What would you call it? Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #47

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Not genocide, no. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #49

You condemn what you do not understand. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #45

No matter how the BM quotes are spun by the apologists and the cheerleaders you can't R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #285

What's the implicit meaning? n/t shira Nov 2013 #328

Just go away, Shira. I have no intention of going a few round-e-rounds with you R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #330

people can say "you started it" "no you did" forever but who will end it? Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #353

Knowing who started it and why illuminates how to end it. aranthus Nov 2013 #354

Huh? oberliner Mar 2013 #20

I know Scootaloo Mar 2013 #25

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Zionism is Jewish nationalism. aranthus Oct 2013 #136

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You are simply terribly wrong. aranthus Oct 2013 #148

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You've never been to France have you? aranthus Oct 2013 #155

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As Shaktimaan already wrote, you condemn what you do not understand. aranthus Oct 2013 #160

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It is the same oberliner Oct 2013 #163

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It's a basic and undisputed fact oberliner Oct 2013 #165

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Actually it's identical. aranthus Oct 2013 #172

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You clearly didn't read what I wrote aranthus Oct 2013 #176

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They seem to be falling apart trying to defend the indefensible lately. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #185

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Sadly, I was right. aranthus Oct 2013 #186

You speak of culture as though it is a static thing in that you are wrong azurnoir Oct 2013 #187

Believe me I know this. aranthus Oct 2013 #189

Interesting comment azurnoir Oct 2013 #258

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"Menachem Begin explains..." oberliner Oct 2013 #191

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so the US withdrew it's support of the partition in favor of one state azurnoir Mar 2013 #2

It's glossed over because it's BS oberliner Mar 2013 #3

actually it's not BS your own link shows that azurnoir Mar 2013 #5

Where do you get that? aranthus Mar 2013 #8

oh word mince yummy what kind of sauce goes with that? is served with rice or pasta? azurnoir Mar 2013 #10

So you made it up, can't defend it, and now retreat to derision. n/t aranthus Mar 2013 #12

Nope but you are welcome to claim that :) azurnoir Mar 2013 #13

Maybe read it again oberliner Mar 2013 #19

I understood the text vquite well maybe you hope if you keep this up long enough azurnoir Mar 2013 #23

OK oberliner Mar 2013 #24

you text which I will repost here suggested a temporay trusteeship azurnoir Mar 2013 #29

Yes, but it clearly states... Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #35

yes and Oslo accords weren't supposed to be permanent borders either azurnoir Mar 2013 #38

That's actually a really interesting document. Thanks, Oberliner. Scootaloo Mar 2013 #28

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Thanks for the kick. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #51

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I understand that game, delrem, and thank you. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #92

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You miss me? Seems I'm in your head.... shira Oct 2013 #101

Shira, just because you scream something is true does not make it so. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #309

Yes, I remember it well, and the only thing I can impart is that every time R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #303

"I have the entire hasbara on ignore, so to read threads I use incognito" King_David Oct 2013 #111

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You should try the DU lounge, King_David Oct 2013 #199

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Try the lounge , you will like it there King_David Oct 2013 #203

Perhaps you should take your own advice. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #210

I may just do that BUT with you guys , King_David Oct 2013 #215

You can always put us on ignore, dave, if the truth is uncomfortable to you. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #216

That's you 2... that keep telling is we all on ignore King_David Oct 2013 #223

"That's you 2... that keep telling is we all on ignore" R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #226

' have the entire hasbara on ignore,' King_David Oct 2013 #228

That's not me, dave. That is somebody else. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #235

Oh, snap! bravenak Oct 2013 #251

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What do you mean ? King_David Oct 2013 #274

When 800,000 Jews were kicked out of Arab lands, including Judea/Samaria, was that a Nakba? shira Oct 2013 #52

There you go again, poor Shira, with the false equivalency BS again. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #54

Not an answer. You deflected. So once again.... shira Oct 2013 #55

Jews tossed out of Arab countrues along with those tosse out of azurnoir Oct 2013 #56

I hope you realize the irony of this post oberliner Oct 2013 #57

spell it out for us please :) azurnoir Oct 2013 #58

Will do oberliner Oct 2013 #59

yes but there was no one place where the former Palestinians could go was there? azurnoir Oct 2013 #60

The only reason that Egypt, Jordan and other places were closed to them aranthus Oct 2013 #61

"Of course there were places that they could go." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #63

First they weren't "kicked out of the their ethnic homeland." aranthus Oct 2013 #64

Tell that lie to the Palestinians that Israel refuses to allow back onto their own lands. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #66

It's about exposing your ludicrous rhetoric. aranthus Oct 2013 #69

You're really not that good at this. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #71

No, I pointed out that the assumption in your question was false. aranthus Oct 2013 #74

All I see from you is excuses. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #84

You don't have an argument here. aranthus Oct 2013 #90

Some choice quotes and real 'mature' debating technique from R. Daneel Olivaw on this thread alone . King_David Oct 2013 #108

interesting it seems you'd like to see the Palestinian people disappear via dispersal azurnoir Oct 2013 #75

The fact that you have to make up false motivations for me shows the bankruptcy of your argument. aranthus Oct 2013 #77

sorry but I am not suggesting that Palestinians be dispersed and absorbed by countries spanning azurnoir Oct 2013 #78

Nor am I. You are making a false accusation aranthus Oct 2013 #79

sorry I thought this was your comment azurnoir Oct 2013 #80

Because Jordan annexed the West Bank and Egypt controlled Gaza. aranthus Oct 2013 #81

yes hindsight is quite 20/20 isn't it? n/t azurnoir Oct 2013 #82

Huh? n/t aranthus Oct 2013 #83

yeah how inconvenient the Arab states did not solve Israel's problem for them azurnoir Oct 2013 #113

I hope you realize the irony of your post oberliner Oct 2013 #114

yes lot's of people wanted to go home some were not allowed in the aftermath of WW2 azurnoir Oct 2013 #115

This one is just breathtakingly wrong. aranthus Oct 2013 #116

thanks for the history lesson or at least your version of history and legal proclomations too azurnoir Oct 2013 #117

Your denial is noted. aranthus Oct 2013 #120

I believe honest historians including Morris have admitted most Palestinians fled in fear of their l azurnoir Oct 2013 #125

All refugees flee in fear of their lives. aranthus Oct 2013 #128

here is the part of resolution 194 in question and how it has been spun by Israel azurnoir Oct 2013 #130

194 is not the specific issue. aranthus Oct 2013 #137

co-operative governments follow the UNGA's resolutions azurnoir Oct 2013 #139

Governments do what they want or what they are forced to do. aranthus Oct 2013 #156

citing an actual UN resolution is nothing but anti-Jewish propaganda and victimization? azurnoir Oct 2013 #158

Not always, but often unfortunately. aranthus Oct 2013 #161

You're conversing w/ someone who blames Israel for Lebanese apartheid vs. Palestinians shira Oct 2013 #118

Not the only one. aranthus Oct 2013 #121

The West Bank and Gaza oberliner Oct 2013 #112

and conversely sabbat hunter Oct 2013 #70

are you claiming that 700,000+ Jews were living in the WB prior azurnoir Oct 2013 #76

obviously not sabbat hunter Oct 2013 #94

And again Shira wants to conflate what Israel does and what other nations do... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #62

No. Shira is merely pointing out the blatant double standard on your side. n/t aranthus Oct 2013 #65

Shira is entering into a false equivalency, and you are carrying the water for her. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #67

It's not a complete equivalency, but how is it false? aranthus Oct 2013 #68

"After all, the Jewish victims were completely innocent." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #72

You'd do better responding to what I actually wrote. aranthus Oct 2013 #73

Oh, I can easily read into what you are implying. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #85

But you can't seem to answer a simple question. aranthus Oct 2013 #86

I already posted my answer. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #87

No. You evaded a serious question. aranthus Oct 2013 #88

Well excuse me all over the place that my answer doen't fit into your self righteous outrage. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #91

You didn't answer. aranthus Oct 2013 #93

Now back to the Nakba... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #98

You can not answer Aranthus can you? King_David Oct 2013 #106

"Your answer to him was real intelligent and substantial." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #107

You don't want to answer my question? Fine. Let's talk about the Nakba. aranthus Oct 2013 #109

They don't want to discuss the Nakba either. They hate having their views challenged. n/t shira Oct 2013 #119

Their views can't tolerate contact with reality. n/t aranthus Oct 2013 #157

Yeah, from Benny Morris... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #167

Shaktimaan has already beaten your argument to death. aranthus Oct 2013 #188

The excuses build up pretty fast with you guys. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #195

You still haven't answered a simple question. It's obvious u don't give a shit about the 800K.... shira Oct 2013 #96

See reply #89 for reference. ;) R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #97

IOW, you guys don't like when your views are challenged & exposed as hypocritical or vile. shira Oct 2013 #99

Now back to the Nabka and your long attempts of untruths.... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #100

What about it? What else would you like to know? I've already told you.... shira Oct 2013 #102

"I'm for the original refugees right of return." What a convenient joke. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #103

Only the originals are refugees. In no other situation worldwide are offspring considered refugees. shira Oct 2013 #104

Another convenient untruth from Shira. Let's look at UN Resolution 3236. C. 1974. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #105

UNGA resolutions are suggestions, not law. Try again... shira Oct 2013 #110

That's nice dear. God bless your soul. Bye bye. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #122

UNGAR 194 isn't International Law and it doesn't mention offspring of refugees.... shira Oct 2013 #131

Do you know which countries voted against that resolution? oberliner Oct 2013 #123

Ah, the water carrier has arrived. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #124

I don't know what anything you wrote here means oberliner Oct 2013 #126

Thank your for your personal beliefs. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #127

Wow, nice rant. There's still no law on the books where descendants of refugees are refugees.... shira Oct 2013 #132

"There's no historical precedent for it, ever." ...except for the creation of Israel... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #134

Oh really? Jews inherit refugee status going back to the Babylonian/Roman expulsions? shira Oct 2013 #140

No, shira, you are clutching at your hasbara pearls. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #142

You claim children of refugees are legit refugees themselves. There is no IHL stating such a thing. shira Oct 2013 #143

My poor, poor frustrated and decpetional Shira.... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #147

about the status of children born to refugees from UNHCR azurnoir Oct 2013 #141

It appears that she has ignored you twice now. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #144

Descendants of Palestinian refugees somehow retain their refugee status even if.... shira Oct 2013 #145

soooo Ray Hanania is a refugee? azurnoir Oct 2013 #146

"Arab countries not allowing Palestinians to become citizens" R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #149

The "map" is utter nonsense. aranthus Oct 2013 #151

Why is the second map of a "plan" that never actually happened? oberliner Oct 2013 #153

The Nakba took place against Palestinians by Zionsistas, shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #314

At the same time as the Palestinian Nakba, there was a Jewish Nakba as well.... shira Nov 2013 #317

And again you conflate the twain. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #318

Conflate, how? Are the 800,000 Jews from that time period who were expelled.... shira Nov 2013 #319

Since it wasn't the Palestinians who were R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #320

Who do u think expelled Jews out of the W.Bank and Gaza if not Palestinians? Come on. shira Nov 2013 #322

Thank you, shria, for dancing from distraction to untruth to distraction in order to R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #323

All I'm saying is that there were 2 nakbas in that era. You only see one. shira Nov 2013 #324

Bless your soul, shira. I guess that nobody ever told you that two wrongs don't make a right. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #325

The 2 different nakbas are connected. Both are tragic... shira Nov 2013 #326

shira, the hypocrisy drips from you with every post. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #329

Um Shaktimaan Jan 2014 #476

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No hasbarists here support ethnic cleansing. That's your bs... shira Oct 2013 #133

"No hasbarists here support ethnic cleansing." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #150

No we don't. aranthus Oct 2013 #152

Yeah, from Benny Morris... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #168

The most important part of Benny Morris' quote is the following... shira Oct 2013 #170

The most important thing that Duers can take away from your post, Shira, is that R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #171

Let's be clear. aranthus Oct 2013 #173

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The Palestinians were winning the civil war at first.... shira Oct 2013 #177

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Do the research yourself. Palestinian civil war, 1947, Haj Amin al-Husayni. n/t shira Oct 2013 #182

You really need to learn how to read what people post instead of what you want to read into them. aranthus Oct 2013 #178

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^^^This! R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #183

The Mufti Haj Amin al Husseini made it clear that genocide of the Jews was his goal. shira Oct 2013 #184

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There were other Palestinians who didn't like al-Husseini for various reasons.... shira Oct 2013 #198

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You seem disappointed coming to grips with the Palestinians' Nazi leadership of that day.... shira Oct 2013 #204

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How else am I to see it? You could just say.... shira Oct 2013 #208

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If you can't condemn real naziism, and you just can't relate to the Jews of 1948... shira Nov 2013 #316

That's right, we don't support it. But you do. Why are you denying it? n/t shira Oct 2013 #169

The Nakba in the New Yorker.... Israeli Oct 2013 #202

Now the question to you. What should the Jews of 1948 have done? shira Oct 2013 #205

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You're in denial? The Mufti and his hired minions weren't Nazis? That wasn't the threat.... shira Oct 2013 #209

You've now used two epithets to describe the 700,000 Palestinians that the R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #211

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Right, we all know the Zionists were the nazis. And Hasbarados today act like nazis too. n/t shira Oct 2013 #214

Well, shira, you definately Godwin a lot, but some times you mght just be on to something. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #217

So it's racist to call 1947-48 Palestinians under al-Husseini Nazis, but perfectly fine.... shira Oct 2013 #218

You poor, poor soul. You kep on contradicting yourself horribly now. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #221

You're lying. All the lies and propaganda from you are just adding up. Not good.... shira Oct 2013 #222

You've already been exposed, Shira. I hope many DUers read your nonsense...especially R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #224

Oooooh. I've been exposed by a propagandist smear-artist. Wow! n/t shira Oct 2013 #232

DUers can be the judge of that. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #236

The very few reading this will be. Don't underestimate their intelligence. n/t shira Oct 2013 #238

"You're lying. All the lies and propaganda from you are just adding up." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #233

You lied about Morris. You quoted him out-of-context. You can't even suggest a better.... shira Oct 2013 #237

It was a direct quote, SoS. Live with it in utter embarrassment. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #241

Out-of-context cherrypicking, which is exactly what u accuse your opponents of doing. shira Oct 2013 #247

No, shira, you are just clutching at your pearls again. I hope that DUers pay close attention how R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #267

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Quite rich, coming from someone who always makes false cries of APARTHEID, APARTHEID, APARTHEID.... shira Oct 2013 #230

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By definition? What definition? Here's Kenneth Meshoe of S.Africa calling bullshit on you... shira Oct 2013 #239

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Then America, Canada, and Australia are apartheid states.... shira Oct 2013 #245

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I'm using your own definition. If Israel is apartheid, then America, Canada, and Australia... shira Oct 2013 #249

Israel didn't require ethnic cleansing. They agreed to the 1947 Partition which required... shira Oct 2013 #250

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So provide one reasonable alternative to that for 1948. I'll wait. n/t shira Oct 2013 #254

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Then they lose the war and there's genocide. Not a reasonable choice. n/t shira Oct 2013 #256

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Here's a typical video. Hamas & the PA support and encourage views like this... shira Oct 2013 #259

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You're deflecting. The UN document shows that in 1947-48, the Jews were definitely... shira Oct 2013 #261

That was NOT a UN document it was written by the then "Jewish Agency" azurnoir Oct 2013 #262

Unreal denial by you. Engaging you is pointless. So for the lurkers... shira Oct 2013 #263

shira it was plainly labeled as being written by the Jewish Agency azurnoir Oct 2013 #264

And the quote comes from an Egyptian newspaper, so? Here it is from MEF... shira Oct 2013 #276

you claimed it was a UN document and it wasn't then you post an old clipping in Arabic azurnoir Oct 2013 #277

Are you denying Azzam Pasha made such a threat? shira Oct 2013 #278

I don't read Arabic do you? azurnoir Oct 2013 #279

LOL....you do deny the Azzam Pasha quote. Unreal. n/t shira Oct 2013 #280

I can't confirm or deny I don't read Arabic again do you? azurnoir Oct 2013 #281

No one's disputing the Arabic. Not even Tom Segev who responded to the quote. n/t shira Oct 2013 #282

what you posted was an old newspaper clipping in Arabic nothing more nothing from Tom Segev azurnoir Oct 2013 #283

Here's Tom Segev in Haaretz. He doesn't dispute the quote... shira Oct 2013 #284

What !!!!! Israeli Oct 2013 #286

This is a great example demonstrating the dishonesty of your movement... shira Oct 2013 #287

yeah right ... Israeli Oct 2013 #288

Gotta love the past-Zionists who vote for zionist parties like Meretz. shira Oct 2013 #289

Its not like we have much of a choice shira .... Israeli Oct 2013 #301

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How are women, gays, and christians treated under Hamas, the PA, or any other dictatorship... shira Oct 2013 #291

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Had Jews lost 1948, there wouldn't be much in the way of rights for gays, women, jews, christians... shira Oct 2013 #293

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Okay then, what do u think would have happened to the Jews had they lost 1948? n/t shira Oct 2013 #295

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Another evasion, fine. So what's your solution in 2013? n/t shira Oct 2013 #297

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One state, right? How will it work? Who will enforce this guarantee of a Utopian society? n/t shira Oct 2013 #299

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Practically no one wants one secular democracy for all, so how will this come about? shira Oct 2013 #302

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There's a reason neither Hamas or the PA grants equal rights to women,gays,christians,blacks,jews... shira Nov 2013 #307

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You hate having your most cherished beliefs about I/P challenged... shira Nov 2013 #313

Disappeared again. But I have one more simple question for you.... shira Nov 2013 #311

You conveniently disappeared. No one in that area wants your idea of an egalitarian society... shira Nov 2013 #304

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See #307. It's true. So what's your plan B? n/t shira Nov 2013 #308

Thanks for clarifying n/t azurnoir Dec 2013 #368

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First of all, the vast majority of Palestinians left on their own accord & were not forced out.... shira Oct 2013 #213

"Right, we all know the Zionists were the nazis." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #219

If you're going to quote Morris, get it right. No more lies from you... shira Oct 2013 #220

The quote is legitimate. It is you who are counterfeit. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #227

You cherry-picked out of context and lied. You were caught. n/t shira Oct 2013 #231

No, poor, poor, SoS. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #242

You cherry-picked hypocritically. You accuse others constantly of doing just that. n/t shira Oct 2013 #246

No, shira. You're wallowing in a sea R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #275

I told her she was. bravenak Oct 2013 #271

This is a general note for the casual passing DUer. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #229

I agree. PDJane Oct 2013 #240

'Jews have survived quite well, thank you' Agreed King_David Oct 2013 #244

David as per usual you mistake the whole point of the post PDJane Oct 2013 #253

Block me ? I'm sure you mean ignore? King_David Oct 2013 #266

Oh, it's no mistake. It's deliberate. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #268

I would like to add a casual observation to this piece. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #269

Yes, true. PDJane Oct 2013 #270

Great Article and discussion. bravenak Oct 2013 #272

Thanks. No matter what is posted about the plight of the Palestinians R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #310

whats to deflect... pelsar Nov 2013 #321

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so barak said something....... pelsar Nov 2013 #333

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it just shows your colonialist attitude pelsar Nov 2013 #335

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ashamed of what....you talk in riddles... pelsar Nov 2013 #337

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then i shall try again.. pelsar Nov 2013 #339

I applaud your sophist two step, pelsar. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #340

my view is one based on security, stability and consequences pelsar Nov 2013 #341

"its just security for most of us, nothing more than that..." R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #342

i understand your POV..its has a few principles: pelsar Nov 2013 #343

You have Spoken like a true occupier. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #349

i would love to hear how you defend dictatorships pelsar Nov 2013 #350

"why is such a dictatorship better than an secular occupation." R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #357

and the argument is? pelsar Dec 2013 #358

You're the proverbial pot calling the kettle black. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #360

this "self-determination definition of yours? pelsar Dec 2013 #362

is that not a good summary? No. It is a rotten summary. I expected no les from you, though. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #364

well then now is your chance to explain why its not good pelsar Dec 2013 #365

Let me make this very simple so even a pro-occupation idiot living in Israel can understand it. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #366

a few statements is not a discussion...(check the dictionary) pelsar Dec 2013 #369

And all your cires lead to continued land theft and apartheid for some self-righteous securty. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #372

I've got more..but this is your foundation....is it not? pelsar Dec 2013 #374

Try re-reading Reply #366. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #375

i did read it....it ignores the present actions pelsar Dec 2013 #376

It certainly is not Israel's business to take what R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #381

i'm asking you as a progressive... pelsar Dec 2013 #382

"you keep injecting israel here..." R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #383

and you do support hamas and abbas...... pelsar Dec 2013 #384

No, Pelsar, I really wish that you would stop telling me what I support when I have already told you R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #385

This message was self-deleted by its author pelsar Dec 2013 #386

supporting the creation of a dictatorship pelsar Dec 2013 #387

I'm not sure how you can continue to get it so terribly wrong... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #388

speaking for myself here azurnoir Dec 2013 #389

I have been reading the same skipping record from said poster for a while now R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #390

Heres the part that gets me azurnoir Dec 2013 #391

then perhaps you would like to become educated... pelsar Dec 2013 #392

its the part that you skip that is most interesting.... pelsar Dec 2013 #393

We can safely assume you're right about our progressive anti-Israel friends here... shira Dec 2013 #394

Most of what you just wrote is your usual gibberish, but you did at least admit occupation. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #396

"They will support the West funding these dictatorships and also arming them." R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #423

"am i putting words in your mouth?" R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #395

its because you believe a belief and intent are real & actual consequences r less important pelsar Dec 2013 #397

No, you have it wrong again, my occupationist friend. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #398

your 3, 4, 5 and 6 pelsar Dec 2013 #399

From your reply all I can only say that R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #400

the thread that links my examples ....is called consequences. pelsar Dec 2013 #401

"is called consequences" R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #402

all u have to do is ask... pelsar Dec 2013 #403

The drive for Democracy is messy, Pelsar, and it won't happen overnight. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #404

who decided that? pelsar Dec 2013 #405

"who decided that? The drive for Democracy is messy" R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #406

explain what you mean by this... pelsar Dec 2013 #408

for fun pelsar !! Israeli Dec 2013 #410

we were referring to pre 48- occupation removal...but pelsar Dec 2013 #411

from " moral difference " to ... Israeli Dec 2013 #412

I always find these occupation in the interest of human rights and democracy azurnoir Dec 2013 #413

no...u miss the concept.... pelsar Dec 2013 #417

thats the core of the discussion.... pelsar Dec 2013 #415

You have quite a spin cycle, pelsar. Industrial level. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #414

so disagreements are "spin" pelsar Dec 2013 #416

No, silly. Spin is spin. You wrongly took my words out of context. Curious that you would try that. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #418

I'll simplify pelsar Dec 2013 #419

I guess that "wrong" is your new normal... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #420

you seem to do a lot of deflection.... pelsar Dec 2013 #421

There's no deflection in pointing out your hypocrisy, pelsar. It's really easy to do. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #422

so 'your diversions are good...and others are bad... pelsar Jan 2014 #424

"so 'your diversions' are good...and others are bad..." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #425

you've confused opinion with facts.... pelsar Jan 2014 #426

Why do you continually distract from the OP even when asked repeatedly? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #427

I"m exploring your moral hypocrisy.... pelsar Jan 2014 #428

The only hypocrisy I see is where you want to divert from the original OP. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #429

hmm..too difficult for you? too complex? or.... pelsar Jan 2014 #430

It is neither too difficult nor complex to point out the dreary hasbarist; R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #431

perhaps its your narrow mind? pelsar Jan 2014 #433

These delusions you exhibit for imaginary "controllers" of mine is troubling. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #438

clearly you have a problem with definitions pelsar Jan 2014 #440

You didn't answer anything in #343. Are u embarassed by yr views? shira Nov 2013 #355

Go cry to somebody that cares. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #361

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Nov 2013 #344

what happened to your "threat"...i shall remind you pelsar Nov 2013 #345

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Nov 2013 #346

what a "wimp out" pelsar Nov 2013 #347

what is a definition of " a kook " from where you are from delrem ? Israeli Nov 2013 #348

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Nov 2013 #351

now changing your own definition.... pelsar Nov 2013 #356

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #359

tsk tsk tsk...... pelsar Dec 2013 #363

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #367

still can't stay away.... pelsar Dec 2013 #370

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #371

you can't run away from your "cyber bulling" (the attempt) pelsar Dec 2013 #373

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #377

so am i back on "ignore" pelsar Dec 2013 #378

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #379

on the contrary.... pelsar Dec 2013 #380

......... politicman Jan 2014 #432

i have no problem in answering your questions... pelsar Jan 2014 #434

I am not afraid to answer your question politicman Jan 2014 #435

you have a very simplistic view of the conflict.... pelsar Jan 2014 #436

WOW, you really cant see the truth can you politicman Jan 2014 #437

making up politics? pelsar Jan 2014 #439

The nerve of you Israelis politicman Jan 2014 #441

ignorence or hyperbole...which is it? pelsar Jan 2014 #442

WOW politicman Jan 2014 #443

if you keep to accuracy and respect the Palestinians.... pelsar Jan 2014 #444

ill try one more time politicman Jan 2014 #445

what happened to accuracy? pelsar Jan 2014 #446

This will be long politicman Jan 2014 #447

and the inaccuracy continues......shheesh pelsar Jan 2014 #450

And he we go again... politicman Jan 2014 #454

is this too difficult? I'll be short so u can concentrate pelsar Jan 2014 #456

This is getting tiresome... politicman Jan 2014 #460

read slowly.... pelsar Jan 2014 #464

continued.... politicman Jan 2014 #465

a news article.... pelsar Jan 2014 #468

response politicman Jan 2014 #470

not so fast.. pelsar Jan 2014 #474

why wont you answer all my questions when you demand that I answer yours? politicman Jan 2014 #475

dont change your original claims.... pelsar Jan 2014 #478

when you read, make sure to answer the last question in this post politicman Jan 2014 #479

i dont agree to the "mud system" pelsar Jan 2014 #482

you have the gall to call my morals into question? politicman Jan 2014 #484

promoting dictatorship is immoral.... pelsar Jan 2014 #486

my response politicman Jan 2014 #487

you skipped this one.. pelsar Jan 2014 #488

here you go politicman Jan 2014 #489

you have gone where no DU'er has gone before.... pelsar Jan 2014 #490

some proof of limted damge from Palestinian rockets politicman Jan 2014 #448

I believe killing people...is not "limited damage" pelsar Jan 2014 #452

some more links for you politicman Jan 2014 #453

I"m still looking.... pelsar Jan 2014 #457

read my link carefully, pay attention to the highlighted sentence politicman Jan 2014 #458

I will give u that.... pelsar Jan 2014 #459

its not vague, its clear politicman Jan 2014 #461

i shall explain to you what you don't know pelsar Jan 2014 #462

lets discuss... politicman Jan 2014 #466

you don't get an argument with me over their system... pelsar Jan 2014 #469

please dont excuse it politicman Jan 2014 #473

an explanation is not excuse pelsar Jan 2014 #477

why omit one key fact in your argument? politicman Jan 2014 #480

of course they're govt approved... pelsar Jan 2014 #483

curious about your thoughts on this.. politicman Jan 2014 #467

it wouldn't surprise me... pelsar Jan 2014 #471

please read again politicman Jan 2014 #472

some more politicman Jan 2014 #455

you tell me... pelsar Jan 2014 #463

some proof that Israel bulldozes Palestinian homes for settlements politicman Jan 2014 #449

where? pelsar Jan 2014 #451

Yes, I have noticed. bravenak Nov 2013 #331

And yet after all the naysayers, screamers and hasbarists have pissed on this thread it still stands R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #481

What's worse, American billionaire shamelessly want a continuation of the Nakba. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #485

The Nakba lives and continues: a malignancy on human rights. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #491

WATCH: Ilan Pappe on the 'ongoing Nakba' R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2014 #492