Israel/Palestine

delrem

(9,688 posts)

46. Again, thank you.

Wed Nov 13, 2013, 04:49 AM

Nov 2013

There's too much to read, and think through, in this world!

I get the understanding that "post-Zionist" ideas grasp and synthesize two points of view.
1. The past: The Zionist project has built "facts on the ground" where is established a flourishing culture.
2. The future: the project of post-Zionism is to integrate that flourishing culture with the generations-deep cultures of an indigenous population that, of course, has lots to offer.

That's... very positive.

The future is way bigger than the past!

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Kerry: Why do you want to build in what will eventually be Palestine? [View all] Israeli Nov 2013 OP

Netanyahu made a Machiavellian statement if ever there was one azurnoir Nov 2013 #1

Well, so long as we keep funding pogroms and colonization, it'll keep happening Scootaloo Nov 2013 #2

not a pogrom sabbat hunter Nov 2013 #5

well, regardless of how much you wish to sugar-coat whatever it is... Scootaloo Nov 2013 #7

Was pogrom the word you meant to use? oberliner Nov 2013 #9

I tend to not use words unintnetionally Scootaloo Nov 2013 #10

It looked like you were backtracking above oberliner Nov 2013 #12

Nope, just trying to bring the coversation to someone who thinks it's all sunshine and gumdrops Scootaloo Nov 2013 #15

Pogroms massacres apartheids genocides King_David Nov 2013 #8

It doesn't have to be. Scootaloo Nov 2013 #11

Oh it's the essence of all the hatred towards Israel King_David Nov 2013 #13

You want Israel to be treated like Syria? Okay Scootaloo Nov 2013 #14

Nope none of that, King_David Nov 2013 #16

Oh, well, you said you wanted Israel to be treated like Syria Scootaloo Nov 2013 #17

LOL King_David Nov 2013 #22

Oh, heavens to betsy... Scootaloo Nov 2013 #64

So the reason Israel gets more than 100x the attention from the UN and "human rights" posers.... shira Nov 2013 #81

The shitty keeps piling up Scootaloo Nov 2013 #86

Your strawman is the steaming pile here... shira Nov 2013 #87

Except Israel is treated far better than most of those Scootaloo Nov 2013 #88

Did you watch this video from just a few days ago @ the UN? shira Nov 2013 #90

"Ohmigosh, Becky, did you hear what Rachel said about Susie?!" Scootaloo Nov 2013 #91

IOW, you have no problem with the SOP at the UN. That says it all, really. n/t shira Nov 2013 #92

Not enough of a problem that I'd equate wagging a finger at Israel to what's facing Syria, no Scootaloo Nov 2013 #104

so exactly what is the UN's SoP? do you have a UN link to the UN's Sop azurnoir Nov 2013 #105

22 country-specific UNGAR's against Israel vs. 4 against the rest of the world combined.... shira Nov 2013 #107

exaxctly what is UNGAR? a search turned up nothing related to the UN and as I asked azurnoir Nov 2013 #110

UNGARs=UN General Assembly Resolutions. 22 against Israel vs. 4 against the rest of the world shira Nov 2013 #112

oh so it's something you made up I see well provide us with a list azurnoir Nov 2013 #113

Here's a list for you to deny or ignore.... shira Nov 2013 #114

so we're talking 2012 when Israel visiously attacked Gaza including a family in their home azurnoir Nov 2013 #119

Now you can run through that list and point to the ones you don't think should be brought up Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #120

This reminds me of a really nasty racist neighbor who bashed blacks for everything.... shira Nov 2013 #128

Try and focus on what's said in the post yr replying to. You were asked to do something... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #129

That racist neighbor is an example of what Thomas Friedman was writing about.... shira Nov 2013 #134

Just did a search and for 2012 there were 303 and 2013 10 resolutions respectively by the UNGA azurnoir Nov 2013 #115

Nope...country-specific criticisms. 22 vs. Israel to 4 vs. the rest of the world combined.NT shira Nov 2013 #116

Yr wasting yr breath, Az. I already posted them and she pointedly ignored them n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #118

Doesn't it stand for Statement Of Purpose? Like with the groups here at DU? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #121

Nailed it azurnoir Nov 2013 #122

SoP = Standard-Operating-Procedure. The UN's charter calls on it to work for universal...... shira Nov 2013 #124

The UN doesn't have a SOP... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #125

22 country-specific UNGAR's criticizing Israel vs. 4 against the rest of the world combined.... shira Nov 2013 #132

Psst! Wanna hear what the cleaner at Medicare Australia said? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #97

The UNGA will have passed 22 resolutions vs. Israel but only 4 against.... shira Nov 2013 #99

I didn't expect that you'd comprehend what my post was saying.. Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #100

The UN interpreter was dead-on right. The rest of the assembly... shira Nov 2013 #101

Yep. The Medicare analogy flew right over yr head... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #102

You're supporting very ugly UN bigotry vs. Israel. Nothing to be proud of there, Vi. n/t shira Nov 2013 #106

Pointing out a translator voicing a personal opinion is useless is 'UN bigotry'? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #108

No, supporting the UN's bigotry vs. the Jewish state is what is bigoted... shira Nov 2013 #111

Bigotry. Another word to add to the list of words you don't know the meaning of... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #117

Yes, bigotry vs. Israel. As Thomas Friedman once wrote.... shira Nov 2013 #126

No matter how many times you use the word, you still don't get what it means... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #127

Yours was an "argument " King_David Nov 2013 #42

It helped me understand how fucking DUMB that argument is. delrem Nov 2013 #56

Israel is taking a page from Great Britain and others TexasProgresive Nov 2013 #3

not all quite the same sabbat hunter Nov 2013 #4

This is all done according as ... delrem Nov 2013 #47

What do you mean here? King_David Nov 2013 #74

Bibi for some reason sabbat hunter Nov 2013 #6

Sad thing is, doesn't look like Israelis mind too much Scootaloo Nov 2013 #18

He got 23 percent of the vote oberliner Nov 2013 #19

Actually, he was chosen by less than a quarter of Israelis. LeftishBrit Nov 2013 #23

Israeli's vote directly for their Prime Minister? Like the US votes directly for President? azurnoir Nov 2013 #25

The party got 31 seats, but 23% of the vote LeftishBrit Nov 2013 #27

Interesting that 31 out of 120 equates to 23% but thanks azurnoir Nov 2013 #30

Sounds downright American, somehow. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #33

it is due to the sabbat hunter Nov 2013 #36

yes I'll agree that it must be an odd system when 31 = 23% of 120 azurnoir Nov 2013 #38

It's because even in Israel it's not literally pure PR and there are quite a few parties that don't LeftishBrit Nov 2013 #39

problem is that sabbat hunter Nov 2013 #40

for a short time sabbat hunter Nov 2013 #37

Didn't Livni actually get more votes? And then Peres selected Bibi to form the gov't? nt bemildred Nov 2013 #26

Yep, Livni got more votes in 2008. But she couldn't form a coalition. n/t shira Nov 2013 #28

That was in the previous, 2009 election; not the latest one LeftishBrit Nov 2013 #29

Thank you. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #31

This time around Bibi gifted Livni with azurnoir Nov 2013 #32

No bemildred , last elections were a disaster for her . Israeli Nov 2013 #41

Ah, thank you. bemildred Nov 2013 #44

you dont need Haaretz to read Uri ... Israeli Nov 2013 #45

Again, thank you. delrem Nov 2013 #46

Agreed delrem... Israeli Nov 2013 #49

That gave me a tingling going up and down my whole body. delrem Nov 2013 #50

Not sure if your being sarcastic or not .... Israeli Nov 2013 #51

sarcasm was infinitely remote delrem Nov 2013 #52

ok .. Israeli Nov 2013 #53

You confuse support for Israel with support for a rightwing gov't.... shira Nov 2013 #54

When you begin with "Our support of Israel....", delrem Nov 2013 #57

'sockpuppet ' ?? King_David Nov 2013 #59

Well, Dave, I can only say "watch the blood pressure". nt delrem Nov 2013 #60

You get that this little forum here does not in any way influence events ? King_David Nov 2013 #61

WTF point do you think you're making, Dave - and what relevance does it have to I/P discussions? delrem Nov 2013 #62

Hostile... King_David Nov 2013 #70

Humans just aren't all so peaceful as you, Dave. delrem Nov 2013 #123

Your on a roll, King_David Nov 2013 #130

I'm just mentioning stormfront language and tactics, Dave. delrem Nov 2013 #133

Well I know nothing about 'stormfront language' King_David Nov 2013 #135

Well Dave, you and your so recently pedicured hasbarists delrem Nov 2013 #138

No idea, King_David Nov 2013 #139

Take a close look in the mirror, Dave. delrem Nov 2013 #140

Gawd it is so difficult when people just do not get it, King_David Nov 2013 #141

I think most "get" what you're saying, Dave. delrem Nov 2013 #142

I was talking about The Fat Cats in Toronto King_David Nov 2013 #144

'I call that kind of language *nasty*, Dave. What about you?' King_David Nov 2013 #143

This was a 6-0 leave BTW... nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #66

What do you mean? King_David Nov 2013 #71

Somebody alerted on your post. Which I thought was a bit ridiculous considering how mild it was. nomorenomore08 Nov 2013 #103

Oh thanks for the heads up, King_David Nov 2013 #131

Those who support Israel are against those who want it destroyed, dismantled, ended..... shira Nov 2013 #68

:) Israeli Nov 2013 #69

Ha Ha , that was great, King_David Nov 2013 #78

Hilarious! n/t shira Nov 2013 #83

Happy you enjoyed it ..... Israeli Nov 2013 #85

The music was different from what I'm used to & in a folk tradition that I've always liked. delrem Nov 2013 #55

You have just described the Israeli Right wing delrem.... Israeli Nov 2013 #65

'To die for an idea' ? King_David Nov 2013 #58

................. Israeli Nov 2013 #63

you try Trumpuldor.... Israeli Nov 2013 #67

No but Israel is my birthright , King_David Nov 2013 #72

I dont consider this argument to be between Jews King_David... Israeli Nov 2013 #75

Well your views are not LEFT King_David Nov 2013 #76

they are ... Israeli Nov 2013 #79

I don't support Bibi , King_David Nov 2013 #80

Okay ... Israeli Nov 2013 #89

Uzi Even King_David Nov 2013 #96

How strange...you believe the zionists here support Bibi? Really? shira Nov 2013 #84

to quote yourself shira .... Israeli Nov 2013 #93

LOL, +100. n/t Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #94

According to your logic, I'd become anti-Israel if Meretz won an election... shira Nov 2013 #95

+200 azurnoir Nov 2013 #98

I'm so glad somebody said that. bravenak Nov 2013 #109

You definatly do not speak for any large group of Israelis King_David Nov 2013 #136

I don't like that awful hateful rap music you enjoy, sorry I don't like your recommendations,but King_David Nov 2013 #73

I'm 63 King_David... Israeli Nov 2013 #77

' There's too much to read, and think through, in this world! ' King_David Nov 2013 #82

Damn! He is 90? Now I am impressed. nt bemildred Nov 2013 #48

for some reason !!! ??? Israeli Nov 2013 #21

I think the answer is quite simple azurnoir Nov 2013 #20

Yep, that's the "strategic goal", all those "facts on the ground" just make it "impossible" now ... bemildred Nov 2013 #24

Bingo! n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #34

sadly yep seems that way n/t azurnoir Nov 2013 #43

It is ethnic cleansing mwrguy Nov 2013 #35

Interesting comment gopiscrap Nov 2013 #137