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shira

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41. It's not wrong. The Satmars don't even make up anywhere close to 1% of all anti-zionists.

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Sun Dec 15, 2013, 07:30 AM

Dec 2013

When 99.999999% of the movement trends antisemitic, it's antisemitic.

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Why anti-Zionism is inherently anti-Semitic [View all] shira Dec 2013 OP

Does this not violate the Fair Use, 4 paragraph rule? Trajan Dec 2013 #1

Does that apply to blog posts? oberliner Dec 2013 #3

Thanks. I shortened it. n/t shira Dec 2013 #5

I wish we had an unrec button. broiles Dec 2013 #2

You can post a response oberliner Dec 2013 #4

Why? What do u disagree with? n/t shira Dec 2013 #6

I agree with some of what you say, but also disagree with some of it. painesghost Dec 2013 #135

This article like many it repeats, simply assumes the utter non-existence of Palestinian Arabs Scootaloo Dec 2013 #7

No, that simply isn't true. aranthus Dec 2013 #8

Well in point of fact, they did have sole rights Scootaloo Dec 2013 #9

Except that they weren't the only people living there. aranthus Dec 2013 #10

Sorry, I wasn't as laser-precise as you seem to need for basic understanding... Scootaloo Dec 2013 #12

Except it isn't true that they were all "one people." aranthus Dec 2013 #13

And how exactly do you define "Arab," aranthus? Scootaloo Dec 2013 #15

The same way that I define membership in any peoplehood. aranthus Dec 2013 #16

You're missing two points now. Scootaloo Dec 2013 #20

I'm not missing anything. aranthus Dec 2013 #68

There were Jews in Greece and Turkey for thousands of years shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #18

actually, I should probably qualify that by saying shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #19

Israel has always historically been considered the Jewish homeland.... shira Dec 2013 #24

Who said that mere presence gives you the right to rule? aranthus Dec 2013 #67

Some weasel words there... shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #80

Not at all. aranthus Dec 2013 #136

Response shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #138

Counter Response aranthus Dec 2013 #142

Further shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #144

How about a 3 question quiz for antizionists like yourself. Can you answer.... shira Dec 2013 #85

Israel has a right to exist shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #88

So you wouldn't classify yourself as an antizionist...correct? shira Dec 2013 #89

I am an antizionist and I believe that Israel has a right to exist shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #91

That ideal appears post-zionist, not anti-zionist. Just saying... n/t shira Dec 2013 #93

I think that post-zionist shaayecanaan Dec 2013 #101

yes shaayecanaan.... Israeli Dec 2013 #109

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Yeah. Shaktimaan Dec 2013 #11

You make a very silly argument... Scootaloo Dec 2013 #14

Ok. Colonialism. That's funny. Shaktimaan Dec 2013 #17

Not getting any less silly Scootaloo Dec 2013 #21

I am? Shaktimaan Dec 2013 #22

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3 question challenge for antizionists. Are you up to the challenge? shira Dec 2013 #83

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IOW, you cannot defend your antizionist views. n/t shira Dec 2013 #87

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International Law doesn't call for Israel's destruction shira Dec 2013 #92

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What's bs RW extremist zionism? International Law? Post-Zionism? n/t shira Dec 2013 #95

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Sorry to break it to you, but International Law calls for 2 states, not 1. shira Dec 2013 #97

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True, but IHL doesn't call for the destruction of a sovereign nation. n/t shira Dec 2013 #105

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What I subscribe to is the right to self-defense.... shira Dec 2013 #115

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"the total destruction of British Mandate Palestine" ? oberliner Dec 2013 #118

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I am not sure I understand oberliner Dec 2013 #120

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I'm not sure why you can't just write you mean oberliner Dec 2013 #122

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OK oberliner Dec 2013 #125

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Palestine is recognized by most of the countries of the world oberliner Dec 2013 #127

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Delrem, you and yours support ethnic cleansing big time... shira Dec 2013 #129

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So let's remember next time u bring up ethnic cleansing that u fully support it. n/t shira Dec 2013 #131

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Just pointing out hypocrisy. You bash others for something u fully support. n/t shira Dec 2013 #133

But what is your solution to this problem, Scoot? That's the $64,000 question... shira Dec 2013 #23

I say that this long excerpt proves what I said perfectly Scootaloo Dec 2013 #25

The 2 state solution is an answer that gives Palestinians self-determination in their own state.... shira Dec 2013 #26

Except it's not self-determination when someone else determines it for you Scootaloo Dec 2013 #27

That's why there are negotiations. It's obvious you're against any 2-state solution.... shira Dec 2013 #30

And it's obvious that you're not very thoughtful here... Scootaloo Dec 2013 #33

It won't be too long before the majority of the world's Jews reside in Israel.... shira Dec 2013 #35

So does being Anti-Theocracy equal being Anti-Semitic? Eom elfin Dec 2013 #28

Theocracy? oberliner Dec 2013 #29

So you're against Israel b/c you believe it's a theocracy? shira Dec 2013 #31

Not anti Israel, but despite saying it is secular, essentially religion based elfin Dec 2013 #34

Israel has always been a theocracy while claiming not to be? oberliner Dec 2013 #37

So Rebbe Aharon Teitelbaum is anti-Semitic intaglio Dec 2013 #32

The Satmar Jews are about the only anti-zionists who are not antisemites.... shira Dec 2013 #36

So you admit your OP is wrong intaglio Dec 2013 #39

It's not wrong. The Satmars don't even make up anywhere close to 1% of all anti-zionists. shira Dec 2013 #41

It is still not inherent intaglio Dec 2013 #44

Read the article and you'll see the author distinguishes b/w antizionism pre-1948 and after... shira Dec 2013 #46

As soon as you read a dictionary and find out what "inherent" means intaglio Dec 2013 #49

It's inherent within 99.99999% of the movement now. shira Dec 2013 #51

Then tell Merriam-webster and OUP intaglio Dec 2013 #60

Noam Chomsky makes the case himself... shira Dec 2013 #63

Again i point you to the fact that intaglio Dec 2013 #65

Let's simplify this with 3 questions... shira Dec 2013 #84

Well, apart from you trying to put words onto my mouth ... intaglio Dec 2013 #99

Onto your answers... shira Dec 2013 #102

Onto your fantasies intaglio Dec 2013 #108

Your problem is that you cannot or will not see Palestinians as anything other..... shira Dec 2013 #111

The Palestinians are human beings intaglio Dec 2013 #112

The great majority want either Hamas or the PLO in charge.... shira Dec 2013 #114

So you do wish that Israeli will be regarded as another Spartan repressive state intaglio Dec 2013 #116

What do u care? You want Israel destroyed... shira Dec 2013 #124

I believe that you should recind that baseless statement unless R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #134

Intaglio is antizionist & for 1-state. Just ask him. n/t shira Dec 2013 #139

I was asking you to support your allegations R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #140

Hey Intaglio, are you a proud antizionist for 1-state? n/t shira Dec 2013 #141

You really should be careful R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #143

You understand that there is a huge difference aranthus Dec 2013 #66

Ah - so the political party Neturei Karta is anti-Semitic? intaglio Dec 2013 #69

Neturei Karta is religious and you know it. aranthus Dec 2013 #70

You are making a false dichotomy intaglio Dec 2013 #71

Neturei Karta is a political party? oberliner Dec 2013 #72

As they have a prescence in the Knesset as a political party ... intaglio Dec 2013 #73

No they don't oberliner Dec 2013 #74

I do apologise, you are quite right intaglio Dec 2013 #75

No worries oberliner Dec 2013 #77

Oberliner is correct; you don't know what you're talking about. aranthus Dec 2013 #98

If you bothered looking you will see I corrected myself intaglio Dec 2013 #100

I wasn't talking about that. aranthus Dec 2013 #137

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Antizionism isn't antisemitism. It's a variant, an offshoot. An excuse to hate. shira Dec 2013 #42

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I'm not talking to BtA, I'm talking to you. How will the anti-zionist, BDS solution.... shira Dec 2013 #48

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No hate. How will your BDS anti-zionist solution to this conflict help Palestinians? n/t shira Dec 2013 #53

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I asked the same question months ago and you didn't answer. So let's conclude.... shira Dec 2013 #56

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Since I'm wrong, please explain how the end of Israel helps people in that region. n/t shira Dec 2013 #58

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Why the lies? None of those accusations are true... shira Dec 2013 #62

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Not if you are a Satmar intaglio Dec 2013 #45

Read the article, as it discusses Jews against Israel. n/t shira Dec 2013 #47

I have, I am discussing your post intaglio Dec 2013 #50

Your false assumption about anti-zionism is that it's just criticism of the GOI.... shira Dec 2013 #54

See my post #60 intaglio Dec 2013 #61

Actually the unspoken view of many in the anti-Zionist movement is the destruction of Israel. lostincalifornia Dec 2013 #76

So being against Jewish supremacy means I'm racist against Jews? PoliticalPothead Dec 2013 #78

It's not jewish supremacy. And here's 3 questions to challenge you... shira Dec 2013 #82

Zionism is Jewish supremacy. And these are all rhetorical questions. PoliticalPothead Dec 2013 #107

Many Jews are comfortably living in the "very states that once persecuted them" ? oberliner Dec 2013 #113

Yes, let's ignore history OutNow Dec 2013 #79

Since you're antizionist, here are 3 questions for you... shira Dec 2013 #81

Is it anti semitic Notafraidtoo Dec 2013 #104