Israel/Palestine

pelsar

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471. it wouldn't surprise me...

Tue Jan 7, 2014, 03:42 AM

Jan 2014

most arab construction is illegal and they have a very difficult time getting permits, more so than the jews which itself can take over a year for a small addition, hence many build illegally

so using the "illegal" building tactic the city gets to destroy arab housing...and clear the way for larger density housing.

which given jerusalems make up would probably have both arabs and jews in the same building complexes as in other places.
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i'm sure you have a 'knee-jerk" reaction that its anti arab, which no doubt there is some, its also classic city growth: destroy the older low density housing and replace it with higher density hi rises.

israel is no different in that respect that every other city on the face of the earth dealing with increased populations.

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Mr. President, Don�t Forget The Nakba [View all] R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 OP

(Mis)Interpreting Zionist History oberliner Mar 2013 #1

So... the Nakba never happened? Scootaloo Mar 2013 #4

As the Palestinians claim? No. aranthus Mar 2013 #6

So, you go with Zundel. Gotcha. Scootaloo Mar 2013 #7

And you go with denial and smear tactics. n/t aranthus Mar 2013 #9

Not much to smear. Scootaloo Mar 2013 #11

You think I'm a bad person because I don't buy into the lies. aranthus Mar 2013 #16

Oh yes, those lying dirty Arabs and their pallywood "Nakba Industry" Scootaloo Mar 2013 #26

Talk about denial. The Palestinians DID start the war in 1947. Pathetic! shira Mar 2013 #30

Yes, everything was completely peaceful until 1947! Scootaloo Mar 2013 #32

What were the evil Zionists up to until 1947? shira Mar 2013 #34

Most of those making the decisions on the Zionist side in 1947 weren't Holocaust survivors Ken Burch Dec 2013 #407

The argument is that prior to 1947, the Jews were invaders.... shira Dec 2013 #409

Wow. Don't know whether to laugh or cry JoDog Mar 2013 #31

No, the Arab Nations did not start the war in 1947 Scootaloo Mar 2013 #33

Its called fake historiography shaayecanaan Mar 2013 #46

You quoted from WRMEA? Why not Rense or Stormfront? shira Nov 2013 #327

re obama reference Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #352

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No, he agrees with me aranthus Mar 2013 #15

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Indeed, more. aranthus Mar 2013 #18

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Nonsense. aranthus Mar 2013 #22

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Your argument... Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #36

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Interesting. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #39

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Ok Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #41

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So sickeningly disingenuous of you. Ernst Zundel would be proud.... shira Mar 2013 #43

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What would you call it? Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #47

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Not genocide, no. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #49

You condemn what you do not understand. Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #45

No matter how the BM quotes are spun by the apologists and the cheerleaders you can't R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #285

What's the implicit meaning? n/t shira Nov 2013 #328

Just go away, Shira. I have no intention of going a few round-e-rounds with you R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #330

people can say "you started it" "no you did" forever but who will end it? Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #353

Knowing who started it and why illuminates how to end it. aranthus Nov 2013 #354

Huh? oberliner Mar 2013 #20

I know Scootaloo Mar 2013 #25

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Zionism is Jewish nationalism. aranthus Oct 2013 #136

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You are simply terribly wrong. aranthus Oct 2013 #148

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You've never been to France have you? aranthus Oct 2013 #155

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As Shaktimaan already wrote, you condemn what you do not understand. aranthus Oct 2013 #160

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It is the same oberliner Oct 2013 #163

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It's a basic and undisputed fact oberliner Oct 2013 #165

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Actually it's identical. aranthus Oct 2013 #172

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You clearly didn't read what I wrote aranthus Oct 2013 #176

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They seem to be falling apart trying to defend the indefensible lately. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #185

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Sadly, I was right. aranthus Oct 2013 #186

You speak of culture as though it is a static thing in that you are wrong azurnoir Oct 2013 #187

Believe me I know this. aranthus Oct 2013 #189

Interesting comment azurnoir Oct 2013 #258

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"Menachem Begin explains..." oberliner Oct 2013 #191

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so the US withdrew it's support of the partition in favor of one state azurnoir Mar 2013 #2

It's glossed over because it's BS oberliner Mar 2013 #3

actually it's not BS your own link shows that azurnoir Mar 2013 #5

Where do you get that? aranthus Mar 2013 #8

oh word mince yummy what kind of sauce goes with that? is served with rice or pasta? azurnoir Mar 2013 #10

So you made it up, can't defend it, and now retreat to derision. n/t aranthus Mar 2013 #12

Nope but you are welcome to claim that :) azurnoir Mar 2013 #13

Maybe read it again oberliner Mar 2013 #19

I understood the text vquite well maybe you hope if you keep this up long enough azurnoir Mar 2013 #23

OK oberliner Mar 2013 #24

you text which I will repost here suggested a temporay trusteeship azurnoir Mar 2013 #29

Yes, but it clearly states... Shaktimaan Mar 2013 #35

yes and Oslo accords weren't supposed to be permanent borders either azurnoir Mar 2013 #38

That's actually a really interesting document. Thanks, Oberliner. Scootaloo Mar 2013 #28

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Thanks for the kick. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #51

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I understand that game, delrem, and thank you. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #92

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You miss me? Seems I'm in your head.... shira Oct 2013 #101

Shira, just because you scream something is true does not make it so. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #309

Yes, I remember it well, and the only thing I can impart is that every time R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #303

"I have the entire hasbara on ignore, so to read threads I use incognito" King_David Oct 2013 #111

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You should try the DU lounge, King_David Oct 2013 #199

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Try the lounge , you will like it there King_David Oct 2013 #203

Perhaps you should take your own advice. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #210

I may just do that BUT with you guys , King_David Oct 2013 #215

You can always put us on ignore, dave, if the truth is uncomfortable to you. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #216

That's you 2... that keep telling is we all on ignore King_David Oct 2013 #223

"That's you 2... that keep telling is we all on ignore" R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #226

' have the entire hasbara on ignore,' King_David Oct 2013 #228

That's not me, dave. That is somebody else. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #235

Oh, snap! bravenak Oct 2013 #251

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What do you mean ? King_David Oct 2013 #274

When 800,000 Jews were kicked out of Arab lands, including Judea/Samaria, was that a Nakba? shira Oct 2013 #52

There you go again, poor Shira, with the false equivalency BS again. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #54

Not an answer. You deflected. So once again.... shira Oct 2013 #55

Jews tossed out of Arab countrues along with those tosse out of azurnoir Oct 2013 #56

I hope you realize the irony of this post oberliner Oct 2013 #57

spell it out for us please :) azurnoir Oct 2013 #58

Will do oberliner Oct 2013 #59

yes but there was no one place where the former Palestinians could go was there? azurnoir Oct 2013 #60

The only reason that Egypt, Jordan and other places were closed to them aranthus Oct 2013 #61

"Of course there were places that they could go." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #63

First they weren't "kicked out of the their ethnic homeland." aranthus Oct 2013 #64

Tell that lie to the Palestinians that Israel refuses to allow back onto their own lands. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #66

It's about exposing your ludicrous rhetoric. aranthus Oct 2013 #69

You're really not that good at this. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #71

No, I pointed out that the assumption in your question was false. aranthus Oct 2013 #74

All I see from you is excuses. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #84

You don't have an argument here. aranthus Oct 2013 #90

Some choice quotes and real 'mature' debating technique from R. Daneel Olivaw on this thread alone . King_David Oct 2013 #108

interesting it seems you'd like to see the Palestinian people disappear via dispersal azurnoir Oct 2013 #75

The fact that you have to make up false motivations for me shows the bankruptcy of your argument. aranthus Oct 2013 #77

sorry but I am not suggesting that Palestinians be dispersed and absorbed by countries spanning azurnoir Oct 2013 #78

Nor am I. You are making a false accusation aranthus Oct 2013 #79

sorry I thought this was your comment azurnoir Oct 2013 #80

Because Jordan annexed the West Bank and Egypt controlled Gaza. aranthus Oct 2013 #81

yes hindsight is quite 20/20 isn't it? n/t azurnoir Oct 2013 #82

Huh? n/t aranthus Oct 2013 #83

yeah how inconvenient the Arab states did not solve Israel's problem for them azurnoir Oct 2013 #113

I hope you realize the irony of your post oberliner Oct 2013 #114

yes lot's of people wanted to go home some were not allowed in the aftermath of WW2 azurnoir Oct 2013 #115

This one is just breathtakingly wrong. aranthus Oct 2013 #116

thanks for the history lesson or at least your version of history and legal proclomations too azurnoir Oct 2013 #117

Your denial is noted. aranthus Oct 2013 #120

I believe honest historians including Morris have admitted most Palestinians fled in fear of their l azurnoir Oct 2013 #125

All refugees flee in fear of their lives. aranthus Oct 2013 #128

here is the part of resolution 194 in question and how it has been spun by Israel azurnoir Oct 2013 #130

194 is not the specific issue. aranthus Oct 2013 #137

co-operative governments follow the UNGA's resolutions azurnoir Oct 2013 #139

Governments do what they want or what they are forced to do. aranthus Oct 2013 #156

citing an actual UN resolution is nothing but anti-Jewish propaganda and victimization? azurnoir Oct 2013 #158

Not always, but often unfortunately. aranthus Oct 2013 #161

You're conversing w/ someone who blames Israel for Lebanese apartheid vs. Palestinians shira Oct 2013 #118

Not the only one. aranthus Oct 2013 #121

The West Bank and Gaza oberliner Oct 2013 #112

and conversely sabbat hunter Oct 2013 #70

are you claiming that 700,000+ Jews were living in the WB prior azurnoir Oct 2013 #76

obviously not sabbat hunter Oct 2013 #94

And again Shira wants to conflate what Israel does and what other nations do... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #62

No. Shira is merely pointing out the blatant double standard on your side. n/t aranthus Oct 2013 #65

Shira is entering into a false equivalency, and you are carrying the water for her. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #67

It's not a complete equivalency, but how is it false? aranthus Oct 2013 #68

"After all, the Jewish victims were completely innocent." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #72

You'd do better responding to what I actually wrote. aranthus Oct 2013 #73

Oh, I can easily read into what you are implying. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #85

But you can't seem to answer a simple question. aranthus Oct 2013 #86

I already posted my answer. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #87

No. You evaded a serious question. aranthus Oct 2013 #88

Well excuse me all over the place that my answer doen't fit into your self righteous outrage. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #91

You didn't answer. aranthus Oct 2013 #93

Now back to the Nakba... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #98

You can not answer Aranthus can you? King_David Oct 2013 #106

"Your answer to him was real intelligent and substantial." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #107

You don't want to answer my question? Fine. Let's talk about the Nakba. aranthus Oct 2013 #109

They don't want to discuss the Nakba either. They hate having their views challenged. n/t shira Oct 2013 #119

Their views can't tolerate contact with reality. n/t aranthus Oct 2013 #157

Yeah, from Benny Morris... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #167

Shaktimaan has already beaten your argument to death. aranthus Oct 2013 #188

The excuses build up pretty fast with you guys. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #195

You still haven't answered a simple question. It's obvious u don't give a shit about the 800K.... shira Oct 2013 #96

See reply #89 for reference. ;) R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #97

IOW, you guys don't like when your views are challenged & exposed as hypocritical or vile. shira Oct 2013 #99

Now back to the Nabka and your long attempts of untruths.... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #100

What about it? What else would you like to know? I've already told you.... shira Oct 2013 #102

"I'm for the original refugees right of return." What a convenient joke. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #103

Only the originals are refugees. In no other situation worldwide are offspring considered refugees. shira Oct 2013 #104

Another convenient untruth from Shira. Let's look at UN Resolution 3236. C. 1974. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #105

UNGA resolutions are suggestions, not law. Try again... shira Oct 2013 #110

That's nice dear. God bless your soul. Bye bye. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #122

UNGAR 194 isn't International Law and it doesn't mention offspring of refugees.... shira Oct 2013 #131

Do you know which countries voted against that resolution? oberliner Oct 2013 #123

Ah, the water carrier has arrived. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #124

I don't know what anything you wrote here means oberliner Oct 2013 #126

Thank your for your personal beliefs. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #127

Wow, nice rant. There's still no law on the books where descendants of refugees are refugees.... shira Oct 2013 #132

"There's no historical precedent for it, ever." ...except for the creation of Israel... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #134

Oh really? Jews inherit refugee status going back to the Babylonian/Roman expulsions? shira Oct 2013 #140

No, shira, you are clutching at your hasbara pearls. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #142

You claim children of refugees are legit refugees themselves. There is no IHL stating such a thing. shira Oct 2013 #143

My poor, poor frustrated and decpetional Shira.... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #147

about the status of children born to refugees from UNHCR azurnoir Oct 2013 #141

It appears that she has ignored you twice now. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #144

Descendants of Palestinian refugees somehow retain their refugee status even if.... shira Oct 2013 #145

soooo Ray Hanania is a refugee? azurnoir Oct 2013 #146

"Arab countries not allowing Palestinians to become citizens" R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #149

The "map" is utter nonsense. aranthus Oct 2013 #151

Why is the second map of a "plan" that never actually happened? oberliner Oct 2013 #153

The Nakba took place against Palestinians by Zionsistas, shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #314

At the same time as the Palestinian Nakba, there was a Jewish Nakba as well.... shira Nov 2013 #317

And again you conflate the twain. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #318

Conflate, how? Are the 800,000 Jews from that time period who were expelled.... shira Nov 2013 #319

Since it wasn't the Palestinians who were R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #320

Who do u think expelled Jews out of the W.Bank and Gaza if not Palestinians? Come on. shira Nov 2013 #322

Thank you, shria, for dancing from distraction to untruth to distraction in order to R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #323

All I'm saying is that there were 2 nakbas in that era. You only see one. shira Nov 2013 #324

Bless your soul, shira. I guess that nobody ever told you that two wrongs don't make a right. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #325

The 2 different nakbas are connected. Both are tragic... shira Nov 2013 #326

shira, the hypocrisy drips from you with every post. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #329

Um Shaktimaan Jan 2014 #476

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No hasbarists here support ethnic cleansing. That's your bs... shira Oct 2013 #133

"No hasbarists here support ethnic cleansing." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #150

No we don't. aranthus Oct 2013 #152

Yeah, from Benny Morris... R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #168

The most important part of Benny Morris' quote is the following... shira Oct 2013 #170

The most important thing that Duers can take away from your post, Shira, is that R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #171

Let's be clear. aranthus Oct 2013 #173

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The Palestinians were winning the civil war at first.... shira Oct 2013 #177

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Do the research yourself. Palestinian civil war, 1947, Haj Amin al-Husayni. n/t shira Oct 2013 #182

You really need to learn how to read what people post instead of what you want to read into them. aranthus Oct 2013 #178

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^^^This! R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #183

The Mufti Haj Amin al Husseini made it clear that genocide of the Jews was his goal. shira Oct 2013 #184

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There were other Palestinians who didn't like al-Husseini for various reasons.... shira Oct 2013 #198

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You seem disappointed coming to grips with the Palestinians' Nazi leadership of that day.... shira Oct 2013 #204

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How else am I to see it? You could just say.... shira Oct 2013 #208

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If you can't condemn real naziism, and you just can't relate to the Jews of 1948... shira Nov 2013 #316

That's right, we don't support it. But you do. Why are you denying it? n/t shira Oct 2013 #169

The Nakba in the New Yorker.... Israeli Oct 2013 #202

Now the question to you. What should the Jews of 1948 have done? shira Oct 2013 #205

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You're in denial? The Mufti and his hired minions weren't Nazis? That wasn't the threat.... shira Oct 2013 #209

You've now used two epithets to describe the 700,000 Palestinians that the R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #211

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Right, we all know the Zionists were the nazis. And Hasbarados today act like nazis too. n/t shira Oct 2013 #214

Well, shira, you definately Godwin a lot, but some times you mght just be on to something. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #217

So it's racist to call 1947-48 Palestinians under al-Husseini Nazis, but perfectly fine.... shira Oct 2013 #218

You poor, poor soul. You kep on contradicting yourself horribly now. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #221

You're lying. All the lies and propaganda from you are just adding up. Not good.... shira Oct 2013 #222

You've already been exposed, Shira. I hope many DUers read your nonsense...especially R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #224

Oooooh. I've been exposed by a propagandist smear-artist. Wow! n/t shira Oct 2013 #232

DUers can be the judge of that. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #236

The very few reading this will be. Don't underestimate their intelligence. n/t shira Oct 2013 #238

"You're lying. All the lies and propaganda from you are just adding up." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #233

You lied about Morris. You quoted him out-of-context. You can't even suggest a better.... shira Oct 2013 #237

It was a direct quote, SoS. Live with it in utter embarrassment. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #241

Out-of-context cherrypicking, which is exactly what u accuse your opponents of doing. shira Oct 2013 #247

No, shira, you are just clutching at your pearls again. I hope that DUers pay close attention how R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #267

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Quite rich, coming from someone who always makes false cries of APARTHEID, APARTHEID, APARTHEID.... shira Oct 2013 #230

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By definition? What definition? Here's Kenneth Meshoe of S.Africa calling bullshit on you... shira Oct 2013 #239

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Then America, Canada, and Australia are apartheid states.... shira Oct 2013 #245

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I'm using your own definition. If Israel is apartheid, then America, Canada, and Australia... shira Oct 2013 #249

Israel didn't require ethnic cleansing. They agreed to the 1947 Partition which required... shira Oct 2013 #250

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So provide one reasonable alternative to that for 1948. I'll wait. n/t shira Oct 2013 #254

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Then they lose the war and there's genocide. Not a reasonable choice. n/t shira Oct 2013 #256

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Here's a typical video. Hamas & the PA support and encourage views like this... shira Oct 2013 #259

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You're deflecting. The UN document shows that in 1947-48, the Jews were definitely... shira Oct 2013 #261

That was NOT a UN document it was written by the then "Jewish Agency" azurnoir Oct 2013 #262

Unreal denial by you. Engaging you is pointless. So for the lurkers... shira Oct 2013 #263

shira it was plainly labeled as being written by the Jewish Agency azurnoir Oct 2013 #264

And the quote comes from an Egyptian newspaper, so? Here it is from MEF... shira Oct 2013 #276

you claimed it was a UN document and it wasn't then you post an old clipping in Arabic azurnoir Oct 2013 #277

Are you denying Azzam Pasha made such a threat? shira Oct 2013 #278

I don't read Arabic do you? azurnoir Oct 2013 #279

LOL....you do deny the Azzam Pasha quote. Unreal. n/t shira Oct 2013 #280

I can't confirm or deny I don't read Arabic again do you? azurnoir Oct 2013 #281

No one's disputing the Arabic. Not even Tom Segev who responded to the quote. n/t shira Oct 2013 #282

what you posted was an old newspaper clipping in Arabic nothing more nothing from Tom Segev azurnoir Oct 2013 #283

Here's Tom Segev in Haaretz. He doesn't dispute the quote... shira Oct 2013 #284

What !!!!! Israeli Oct 2013 #286

This is a great example demonstrating the dishonesty of your movement... shira Oct 2013 #287

yeah right ... Israeli Oct 2013 #288

Gotta love the past-Zionists who vote for zionist parties like Meretz. shira Oct 2013 #289

Its not like we have much of a choice shira .... Israeli Oct 2013 #301

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How are women, gays, and christians treated under Hamas, the PA, or any other dictatorship... shira Oct 2013 #291

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Had Jews lost 1948, there wouldn't be much in the way of rights for gays, women, jews, christians... shira Oct 2013 #293

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Okay then, what do u think would have happened to the Jews had they lost 1948? n/t shira Oct 2013 #295

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Another evasion, fine. So what's your solution in 2013? n/t shira Oct 2013 #297

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One state, right? How will it work? Who will enforce this guarantee of a Utopian society? n/t shira Oct 2013 #299

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Practically no one wants one secular democracy for all, so how will this come about? shira Oct 2013 #302

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There's a reason neither Hamas or the PA grants equal rights to women,gays,christians,blacks,jews... shira Nov 2013 #307

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You hate having your most cherished beliefs about I/P challenged... shira Nov 2013 #313

Disappeared again. But I have one more simple question for you.... shira Nov 2013 #311

You conveniently disappeared. No one in that area wants your idea of an egalitarian society... shira Nov 2013 #304

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See #307. It's true. So what's your plan B? n/t shira Nov 2013 #308

Thanks for clarifying n/t azurnoir Dec 2013 #368

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First of all, the vast majority of Palestinians left on their own accord & were not forced out.... shira Oct 2013 #213

"Right, we all know the Zionists were the nazis." R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #219

If you're going to quote Morris, get it right. No more lies from you... shira Oct 2013 #220

The quote is legitimate. It is you who are counterfeit. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #227

You cherry-picked out of context and lied. You were caught. n/t shira Oct 2013 #231

No, poor, poor, SoS. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #242

You cherry-picked hypocritically. You accuse others constantly of doing just that. n/t shira Oct 2013 #246

No, shira. You're wallowing in a sea R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #275

I told her she was. bravenak Oct 2013 #271

This is a general note for the casual passing DUer. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #229

I agree. PDJane Oct 2013 #240

'Jews have survived quite well, thank you' Agreed King_David Oct 2013 #244

David as per usual you mistake the whole point of the post PDJane Oct 2013 #253

Block me ? I'm sure you mean ignore? King_David Oct 2013 #266

Oh, it's no mistake. It's deliberate. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #268

I would like to add a casual observation to this piece. R. Daneel Olivaw Oct 2013 #269

Yes, true. PDJane Oct 2013 #270

Great Article and discussion. bravenak Oct 2013 #272

Thanks. No matter what is posted about the plight of the Palestinians R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #310

whats to deflect... pelsar Nov 2013 #321

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so barak said something....... pelsar Nov 2013 #333

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it just shows your colonialist attitude pelsar Nov 2013 #335

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ashamed of what....you talk in riddles... pelsar Nov 2013 #337

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then i shall try again.. pelsar Nov 2013 #339

I applaud your sophist two step, pelsar. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #340

my view is one based on security, stability and consequences pelsar Nov 2013 #341

"its just security for most of us, nothing more than that..." R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #342

i understand your POV..its has a few principles: pelsar Nov 2013 #343

You have Spoken like a true occupier. R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #349

i would love to hear how you defend dictatorships pelsar Nov 2013 #350

"why is such a dictatorship better than an secular occupation." R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #357

and the argument is? pelsar Dec 2013 #358

You're the proverbial pot calling the kettle black. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #360

this "self-determination definition of yours? pelsar Dec 2013 #362

is that not a good summary? No. It is a rotten summary. I expected no les from you, though. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #364

well then now is your chance to explain why its not good pelsar Dec 2013 #365

Let me make this very simple so even a pro-occupation idiot living in Israel can understand it. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #366

a few statements is not a discussion...(check the dictionary) pelsar Dec 2013 #369

And all your cires lead to continued land theft and apartheid for some self-righteous securty. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #372

I've got more..but this is your foundation....is it not? pelsar Dec 2013 #374

Try re-reading Reply #366. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #375

i did read it....it ignores the present actions pelsar Dec 2013 #376

It certainly is not Israel's business to take what R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #381

i'm asking you as a progressive... pelsar Dec 2013 #382

"you keep injecting israel here..." R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #383

and you do support hamas and abbas...... pelsar Dec 2013 #384

No, Pelsar, I really wish that you would stop telling me what I support when I have already told you R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #385

This message was self-deleted by its author pelsar Dec 2013 #386

supporting the creation of a dictatorship pelsar Dec 2013 #387

I'm not sure how you can continue to get it so terribly wrong... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #388

speaking for myself here azurnoir Dec 2013 #389

I have been reading the same skipping record from said poster for a while now R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #390

Heres the part that gets me azurnoir Dec 2013 #391

then perhaps you would like to become educated... pelsar Dec 2013 #392

its the part that you skip that is most interesting.... pelsar Dec 2013 #393

We can safely assume you're right about our progressive anti-Israel friends here... shira Dec 2013 #394

Most of what you just wrote is your usual gibberish, but you did at least admit occupation. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #396

"They will support the West funding these dictatorships and also arming them." R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #423

"am i putting words in your mouth?" R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #395

its because you believe a belief and intent are real & actual consequences r less important pelsar Dec 2013 #397

No, you have it wrong again, my occupationist friend. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #398

your 3, 4, 5 and 6 pelsar Dec 2013 #399

From your reply all I can only say that R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #400

the thread that links my examples ....is called consequences. pelsar Dec 2013 #401

"is called consequences" R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #402

all u have to do is ask... pelsar Dec 2013 #403

The drive for Democracy is messy, Pelsar, and it won't happen overnight. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #404

who decided that? pelsar Dec 2013 #405

"who decided that? The drive for Democracy is messy" R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #406

explain what you mean by this... pelsar Dec 2013 #408

for fun pelsar !! Israeli Dec 2013 #410

we were referring to pre 48- occupation removal...but pelsar Dec 2013 #411

from " moral difference " to ... Israeli Dec 2013 #412

I always find these occupation in the interest of human rights and democracy azurnoir Dec 2013 #413

no...u miss the concept.... pelsar Dec 2013 #417

thats the core of the discussion.... pelsar Dec 2013 #415

You have quite a spin cycle, pelsar. Industrial level. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #414

so disagreements are "spin" pelsar Dec 2013 #416

No, silly. Spin is spin. You wrongly took my words out of context. Curious that you would try that. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #418

I'll simplify pelsar Dec 2013 #419

I guess that "wrong" is your new normal... R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #420

you seem to do a lot of deflection.... pelsar Dec 2013 #421

There's no deflection in pointing out your hypocrisy, pelsar. It's really easy to do. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #422

so 'your diversions are good...and others are bad... pelsar Jan 2014 #424

"so 'your diversions' are good...and others are bad..." R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #425

you've confused opinion with facts.... pelsar Jan 2014 #426

Why do you continually distract from the OP even when asked repeatedly? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #427

I"m exploring your moral hypocrisy.... pelsar Jan 2014 #428

The only hypocrisy I see is where you want to divert from the original OP. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #429

hmm..too difficult for you? too complex? or.... pelsar Jan 2014 #430

It is neither too difficult nor complex to point out the dreary hasbarist; R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #431

perhaps its your narrow mind? pelsar Jan 2014 #433

These delusions you exhibit for imaginary "controllers" of mine is troubling. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #438

clearly you have a problem with definitions pelsar Jan 2014 #440

You didn't answer anything in #343. Are u embarassed by yr views? shira Nov 2013 #355

Go cry to somebody that cares. R. Daneel Olivaw Dec 2013 #361

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Nov 2013 #344

what happened to your "threat"...i shall remind you pelsar Nov 2013 #345

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Nov 2013 #346

what a "wimp out" pelsar Nov 2013 #347

what is a definition of " a kook " from where you are from delrem ? Israeli Nov 2013 #348

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Nov 2013 #351

now changing your own definition.... pelsar Nov 2013 #356

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #359

tsk tsk tsk...... pelsar Dec 2013 #363

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #367

still can't stay away.... pelsar Dec 2013 #370

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #371

you can't run away from your "cyber bulling" (the attempt) pelsar Dec 2013 #373

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #377

so am i back on "ignore" pelsar Dec 2013 #378

This message was self-deleted by its author delrem Dec 2013 #379

on the contrary.... pelsar Dec 2013 #380

......... politicman Jan 2014 #432

i have no problem in answering your questions... pelsar Jan 2014 #434

I am not afraid to answer your question politicman Jan 2014 #435

you have a very simplistic view of the conflict.... pelsar Jan 2014 #436

WOW, you really cant see the truth can you politicman Jan 2014 #437

making up politics? pelsar Jan 2014 #439

The nerve of you Israelis politicman Jan 2014 #441

ignorence or hyperbole...which is it? pelsar Jan 2014 #442

WOW politicman Jan 2014 #443

if you keep to accuracy and respect the Palestinians.... pelsar Jan 2014 #444

ill try one more time politicman Jan 2014 #445

what happened to accuracy? pelsar Jan 2014 #446

This will be long politicman Jan 2014 #447

and the inaccuracy continues......shheesh pelsar Jan 2014 #450

And he we go again... politicman Jan 2014 #454

is this too difficult? I'll be short so u can concentrate pelsar Jan 2014 #456

This is getting tiresome... politicman Jan 2014 #460

read slowly.... pelsar Jan 2014 #464

continued.... politicman Jan 2014 #465

a news article.... pelsar Jan 2014 #468

response politicman Jan 2014 #470

not so fast.. pelsar Jan 2014 #474

why wont you answer all my questions when you demand that I answer yours? politicman Jan 2014 #475

dont change your original claims.... pelsar Jan 2014 #478

when you read, make sure to answer the last question in this post politicman Jan 2014 #479

i dont agree to the "mud system" pelsar Jan 2014 #482

you have the gall to call my morals into question? politicman Jan 2014 #484

promoting dictatorship is immoral.... pelsar Jan 2014 #486

my response politicman Jan 2014 #487

you skipped this one.. pelsar Jan 2014 #488

here you go politicman Jan 2014 #489

you have gone where no DU'er has gone before.... pelsar Jan 2014 #490

some proof of limted damge from Palestinian rockets politicman Jan 2014 #448

I believe killing people...is not "limited damage" pelsar Jan 2014 #452

some more links for you politicman Jan 2014 #453

I"m still looking.... pelsar Jan 2014 #457

read my link carefully, pay attention to the highlighted sentence politicman Jan 2014 #458

I will give u that.... pelsar Jan 2014 #459

its not vague, its clear politicman Jan 2014 #461

i shall explain to you what you don't know pelsar Jan 2014 #462

lets discuss... politicman Jan 2014 #466

you don't get an argument with me over their system... pelsar Jan 2014 #469

please dont excuse it politicman Jan 2014 #473

an explanation is not excuse pelsar Jan 2014 #477

why omit one key fact in your argument? politicman Jan 2014 #480

of course they're govt approved... pelsar Jan 2014 #483

curious about your thoughts on this.. politicman Jan 2014 #467

it wouldn't surprise me... pelsar Jan 2014 #471

please read again politicman Jan 2014 #472

some more politicman Jan 2014 #455

you tell me... pelsar Jan 2014 #463

some proof that Israel bulldozes Palestinian homes for settlements politicman Jan 2014 #449

where? pelsar Jan 2014 #451

Yes, I have noticed. bravenak Nov 2013 #331

And yet after all the naysayers, screamers and hasbarists have pissed on this thread it still stands R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #481

What's worse, American billionaire shamelessly want a continuation of the Nakba. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #485

The Nakba lives and continues: a malignancy on human rights. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2014 #491

WATCH: Ilan Pappe on the 'ongoing Nakba' R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2014 #492