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In reply to the discussion: Why we fight [View all]

azurnoir

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10. I felt this passage particulary rich
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 02:00 PM
Feb 2012
They stumble across a concentration camp. This scene, the discovery of such an evil place, is the most vivid and discomforting. The people they find are starving, emaciated and close to death. They question the prisoners about who is being held here. One US soldier translates the answers. “Criminals?” he asks. “No,” comes the reply, “musicians, artists, teachers: Jews.” The evil of the Nazi project that they have been fighting against for so many years is no longer abstract: the soldiers realize why they fight.

so we are to think Nazi's when Arabs are mentioned? and then this-

“They save lives”, she told me, asking me to consider the case of a pregnant Palestinian woman who was brought to a checkpoint in an ambulance which, once inspected, was found to be carrying concealed explosive devices. “Take a second,” she asked me, “to understand what kind of dilemma an 18- year old soldier is presented with when on the one hand she sees a heavily pregnant woman, apparently desperate to go to hospital, but at the same time, fears it is a hoax that will cost others’ lives.”

Knowing she faces an enemy that would use a pregnant woman about to deliver as a decoy and the clear and present danger that Israeli citizens face from this threat; Lital was clear why she fights.

it happened but now because it happened it is moral to hold pregnant women Palestinian women at checkpoints even when it endangers the lives of both her and the baby

IDF's moral philosophy seems based on if one did they are all guilty for ever

and note that the clip stops short of whether Yair gunned down the Lebanese children but skips to another passage where ansoldier saves the life of a single Palestinian boy leaving us to draw our own conclusions

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Why we fight [View all] DUIC Feb 2012 OP
Tyranny ,is only " moral depravity " orpupilofnature57 Feb 2012 #1
"Israeli soldiers" . . . "Hezbollah terrorists." Propaganda framing - morally depraved, indeed. leveymg Feb 2012 #2
So you think they're lying? Or that they should just shut up? n/t shira Feb 2012 #3
I don't think they're lying, or should shut up. I commented that this is propaganda leveymg Feb 2012 #4
but the actual stories are true.... pelsar Feb 2012 #5
Is there a difference? orpupilofnature57 Feb 2012 #6
it depends on ones morality... pelsar Feb 2012 #9
I'm appaled at people using children for effect orpupilofnature57 Feb 2012 #13
If the actual stories on both sides were told, the message would be more powerful, which is why leveymg Feb 2012 #8
actually i agree with you...how information is used selectively pelsar Feb 2012 #44
It depends upon the audience - I assume the audience is knowledgable and reasonable leveymg Feb 2012 #45
You do know, don't you, that there are plenty of shocking stories from your side of the conflict Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #16
I agree ,Highly biased orpupilofnature57 Feb 2012 #7
I felt this passage particulary rich azurnoir Feb 2012 #10
you asked.... pelsar Feb 2012 #11
so every Palestinian or is it Arab in general is guilty of what one individual Palestinian or azurnoir Feb 2012 #12
of course its a foolish question.... pelsar Feb 2012 #14
Did you just accuse azurnoir of posting a blood libel Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #17
its just a repeat of what azurnoir has claimed to be true in the past... pelsar Feb 2012 #18
lol if I remember correctly what I said about about the Swedish tabloid Afterbladet article was azurnoir Feb 2012 #20
so if i now understand... pelsar Feb 2012 #21
ah I sense someone has spent some time digging aroiund DU2 for some sort of what entrapment? azurnoir Feb 2012 #22
no digging just remembering... pelsar Feb 2012 #24
are yoiu speaking about Dr Yehuda Hiss? azurnoir Feb 2012 #26
i do owe you an apology.... pelsar Feb 2012 #25
Thank you azurnoir Feb 2012 #27
GOOD! pelsar Feb 2012 #29
congrats....a little soul searching on my part.... pelsar Feb 2012 #31
ok so every Palestinian is guilty of what any one Palestinian does? you've confirmed that thank you azurnoir Feb 2012 #19
do israeli soldiers suffer PTSD? pelsar Feb 2012 #23
well IDF is sometimes presented as 'super human' azurnoir Feb 2012 #28
as far as i know..... pelsar Feb 2012 #30
So Saudi Arabians are the same? orpupilofnature57 Feb 2012 #32
same as what? pelsar Feb 2012 #33
And a hell of a long way from " All Arabs " orpupilofnature57 Feb 2012 #35
He fights to save the Middle Eastern Arabs from their depravity. Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #15
No one said that in the article. Your contemptuous reaction to this article is a reminder... shira Feb 2012 #34
Bias ,like your comments ,cause Contempt. orpupilofnature57 Feb 2012 #36
Such contempt is not dependent on people's comments. Does your own bias cause contempt.... shira Feb 2012 #37
Bias - Objectivity--- --- Moral Depravity - Self Defense orpupilofnature57 Feb 2012 #38
Oh, why don't you just come straight out and say Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #39
You don't believe Israelis are under any serious threat, do you? shira Feb 2012 #40
I can't even figure out what you're trying to say in that post. Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #41
I'm asking you those questions b/c I'm thinking that if you don't believe... shira Feb 2012 #42
By GOI, are you referring to the government of Israel? Crunchy Frog Feb 2012 #43
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