Israel/Palestine

FarrenH

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29. Because defending yourself requires settling your civilians in occupied territory

Thu Mar 13, 2014, 06:57 AM

Mar 2014

Right....

This tired argument is so self evidently vacuous it doesn't deserve a detailed response. But hey, keep defending Apartheid and theft if that's your thing. Just don't pretend you're a liberal while doing it.

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Why Liberals Must Repudiate the BDS Movement [View all] Mosby Mar 2014 OP

This is silly, the occupation has been going on for well over forty years. Bibi Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #1

The occupation can only end after the war is over. Fozzledick Mar 2014 #2

You have an entire pocketful of empty talking points, how nice. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #3

And you have no rebuttal, how surprising. Fozzledick Mar 2014 #5

Rebuttal to empty talking points? nah..you're having too much fun with them. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #6

There was nothing to rebut, Fozzie Scootaloo Mar 2014 #9

You're very good at ignoring the obvious. Fozzledick Mar 2014 #10

Naw, I notice the obvious pretty well Scootaloo Mar 2014 #12

How is building settlements on occupied territory defending Israel? Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #13

I think the U.S. had better get ready to give back Texas, New Mexico, and much more to Mexico nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #103

It was all ceded by Mexico in the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo Scootaloo Mar 2014 #106

You mean the U.S. attack on Mexico, and the treaty forced upon Mexico? Is that the one? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #107

Yes, that one Scootaloo Mar 2014 #108

Oh BS. The attack on Mexico and forcing them to sign a treaty or else was not a violation? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #116

Maybe not give back, but at least admit the injustice done in stealing that territory from Mexico. Ken Burch Mar 2014 #118

Violet could be Australian, but she's posting on a (American) Democratic Party board so all things Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #125

+1 King_David Mar 2014 #126

Actually, they aren't ignoring "the whole Native American thing" Ken Burch Mar 2014 #127

And Diabetes can only end once quakerboy Mar 2014 #28

Because defending yourself requires settling your civilians in occupied territory FarrenH Mar 2014 #29

The attacks from Gaza prove why the occupation is necessary Fozzledick Mar 2014 #30

Military occupation and civilian settlement are two different things FarrenH Mar 2014 #36

I was talking specifically about the occupation. Fozzledick Mar 2014 #38

I'm not changing the subject FarrenH Mar 2014 #39

As I said, I understand why you want to change the subject. Fozzledick Mar 2014 #40

Europes last Colonial Project ? LOL King_David Mar 2014 #41

Europe enlists them? FarrenH Mar 2014 #44

Jews are indigenous to Israel, not colonialists. shira Mar 2014 #45

So by the same logic FarrenH Mar 2014 #46

Egypt is a sovereign nation. Palestine was not prior to 1948. It was British Imperialist... shira Mar 2014 #47

Way to rather spectacularly miss the point that FarrenH Mar 2014 #48

Israel is the world's 1st modern indigenous state shira Mar 2014 #51

I must accede the point that Palestinians are not, FarrenH Mar 2014 #55

So does history from the last 50 years take precedence King_David Mar 2014 #56

King_David FarrenH Mar 2014 #110

Now you're just spamming... shira Mar 2014 #112

The European Jews who colonised Israel/Palestine in the 20th century FarrenH Mar 2014 #114

I wasn't asking about antique history or anything King_David Mar 2014 #113

What relevance is it when history starts or ends? FarrenH Mar 2014 #122

A word of caution, the poster's alleged history lesson was copied and pasted Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #58

and yet she says she voted .... Israeli Mar 2014 #66

This isn't rocket science. I was addressing the false charge that Jews are colonizers... shira Mar 2014 #67

Professor Shlomo Sand.... Israeli Mar 2014 #68

S.Sand, a pathetic racist bigot denying Jews are a people.... shira Mar 2014 #69

Shlomo Sand: �I am not a Jew. I am an Israeli.� Israeli Mar 2014 #71

Sand recycles hate from neo-nazi websites, claims Jews are descendants of Khazars... shira Mar 2014 #73

thank you shira I agree .... Israeli Mar 2014 #74

P-Z's will never be more than an insignificant minority... shira Mar 2014 #75

If you say so shira .... Israeli Mar 2014 #111

having a problem .... Israeli Mar 2014 #115

Link it, your evidence that he is a racist. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #76

European Jews descended from Khazars is a neo-nazi crank conspiracy theory... shira Mar 2014 #78

Just as I thought, you have nothing..thank you. I did look at your Arutz Sheva website, the one Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #80

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #83

You told me, Arutz Sheva does not have any anti Palestinian propaganda. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #85

Don't pretend. I compared Israel's absolute WORST to Maan.... shira Mar 2014 #88

I am not pretending anything, your words and challenge are right here: Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #91

You are. My previous posts to the one you're citing show that while I concede Arutz-7... shira Mar 2014 #92

Ma'an was vindicated by an Israeli judge on incitement and other Palestinian publications. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #94

It's fascinating u keep supporting, defending, and promoting Maan's racism here. n/t shira Mar 2014 #98

Only according to Itamar Marcus,( Palwatch) and settler living in the OPT. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #100

She can say whatever she wants, but her sources she should link to. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #77

Your friend "Israeli", like Sand, denies Jews are a people/nation. How about yourself? shira Mar 2014 #79

He has an opinion, just like you..yours come from settler websites. Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #81

So denying Jews are a people is not racist in your view, right? n/t shira Mar 2014 #82

That has been proven to be what his work represents? I did not read his work, as Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #84

Denying Jews are a people is racist. Sand does that. n/t shira Mar 2014 #86

Again, Carlo Strenger does not agree with his work yet he does not state nor imply Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #87

Who gives a FF what Strenger says? He was probably being kind. shira Mar 2014 #89

Trolling? lol You have nothing to offer other than your opinion on the subject. I posted Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #90

The US State Dept adopted the EU working definition of antisemitism... shira Mar 2014 #93

The US State Dept has declared Sands a racist? Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #96

I've had enough of your trolling. n/t shira Mar 2014 #97

So says the lifter of unlinked information from Arutz Sheva. bye. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #99

Your detective work sucks too... shira Mar 2014 #101

lol, and you think this is your vindication?? You crack me up. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #102

And the U.S. would have to give lots of land back to Mexico, right? In fact, let's go further... Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #104

At the same time, that indigenous heritage doesn't justify the Zionist attitude since the 1940's Ken Burch Mar 2014 #121

That's actually not unusual. Ken Burch Mar 2014 #120

So you admit there's no security justification for the settlements? Ken Burch Mar 2014 #119

Of course not, I never said there was. Fozzledick Mar 2014 #124

Of course they are a major obstacle. Ken Burch Mar 2014 #128

You can't expect Palestinians to just surrender. Ken Burch Mar 2014 #117

Why not? It worked for Germany and Japan. Fozzledick Mar 2014 #123

The occupations in Germany and Japan had nothing in common with the West Bank occupation. Ken Burch Mar 2014 #129

...because the President of Brooklyn College Hillel is bitchy at the New York Times? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #4

Good to know where the talking points came from..thanks. n/t Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #7

There's way more out there than just AIPAC Scootaloo Mar 2014 #8

eah, I picked up that it was The Israel Project straight away... Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #14

I'm perfectly happy with "leftist" myself Scootaloo Mar 2014 #15

Here's TIP's (how to) Hasbara handbook azurnoir Mar 2014 #17

Hasbara ? LOL King_David Mar 2014 #18

glad you liked it azurnoir Mar 2014 #19

Every ridiculous epithet King_David Mar 2014 #20

so your saying The Israel Project is ridiculous? azurnoir Mar 2014 #21

Why not say what YOU are saying instead if incorrectly King_David Mar 2014 #22

I said exactly what I meant to say but why don't you give us your translation pretty please azurnoir Mar 2014 #23

You the one putting words in my mouth King_David Mar 2014 #24

no I am asking what you mean as I said precisely what I wanted to say n/t azurnoir Mar 2014 #25

It'd be great if you started speaking for yourself, David Scootaloo Mar 2014 #26

Oww King_David Mar 2014 #27

Question Shaktimaan Mar 2014 #59

Wait, what? Scootaloo Mar 2014 #60

Simply... Shaktimaan Mar 2014 #61

This is getting deeply pathetic Scootaloo Mar 2014 #64

Hahaha Shaktimaan Mar 2014 #65

Actually Shaktimaan is 100% right King_David Mar 2014 #70

I am also interested in you proving this : King_David Mar 2014 #72

sorry Shaktimaan Mar 2014 #95

From the top Scootaloo Mar 2014 #105

sigh Shaktimaan Mar 2014 #109

Well Shaktimaan Mar 2014 #62

Well. You can't have it both ways. Shaktimaan Mar 2014 #63

If you read the article, you'd see the author is a liberal who votes Democratic... shira Mar 2014 #31

And yet he's writing puff for an outlet that thinks Dubya was a wacky liberal Scootaloo Mar 2014 #34

Maybe Shira believes that TIP is a very progressive group... Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #35

Well, the list of odd things Shira believes is pretty extensive Scootaloo Mar 2014 #43

And yet, what he wrote would jibe with most of the Democratic Party... shira Mar 2014 #37

So did what most of Milton Friedman wrote Scootaloo Mar 2014 #42

The advisory board list you posted is the 2008 version and looks as it came from Sourcewatch Dick Dastardly Mar 2014 #49

Did you forget someone? Like Republican Strategist Frank Luntz azurnoir Mar 2014 #50

What does Luntz have to do with an edited list of the advisory council? nothing!! Dick Dastardly Mar 2014 #52

Luntz is deeply involved in TIP's azurnoir Mar 2014 #53

I used sourcewatch Scootaloo Mar 2014 #54

Bust !!! King_David Mar 2014 #57

I wouldn't be able to drink a liquid from that machine WhiteTara Mar 2014 #11

so a link to a Rightwing organization to tell us "liberals" what we MUST do azurnoir Mar 2014 #16

About the author of the article...excerpted from the OP shira Mar 2014 #32

more about TIP the organization the magazine is representing azurnoir Mar 2014 #33