Israel/Palestine

Shaktimaan

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52. Of course.

Mon Mar 17, 2014, 08:50 PM

Mar 2014

Basically the rules set by the 4th GC are considered Customary Intl Law now and are binding for all conflicts. I'm unsure about some of the problematic details, for instance, the original convention specifically excludes certain individuals from the right to claim "protected person" status. So are their enemies now still required to treat them according to GCIV protocols despite this? I don't know.

What I took away from it was basically that everyone involved in any kind of conflict is expected to conform to the rules set forth in GCIV regarding the treatment of civilians and other protected people. So yes, Hamas and Hezbollah are as well, although neither group has ever paid much attention to any of the laws of war anyway so there's no reason this will have any effect on their actions.

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Settlers uproot 30 trees near Yatta [View all] R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 OP

This sounds like the range wars in western US TexasProgresive Mar 2014 #1

Here's one demostrably false lie from the Ma'an article: shira Mar 2014 #2

We will know you by your works, Shira. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #3

Reading comprehension, what is it? Fozzledick Mar 2014 #13

"Reading comprehension, what is it?" Not your Forte apparently. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #23

Doubling down doesn't make it true Fozzledick Mar 2014 #29

"The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its >>>own civilian population<<< R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #31

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #32

"too dumb to know it" R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #33

State assisted construction... Shaktimaan Mar 2014 #40

I didn't know that... shira Mar 2014 #46

Wait - maybe I'm not understanding. When Hamas or Hezbollah go to war vs. Israel.... shira Mar 2014 #49

Of course. Shaktimaan Mar 2014 #52

Geneva's Forced deportations was meant to directly address evil like Germany.... shira Mar 2014 #15

yes the US use it's veto in Israel's favor just as Russia has used it's veto azurnoir Mar 2014 #4

I'm surprised that some wish to regurgitate the "There is no law" nonsense over and over R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #5

what the US actually did was to stand in the way of sanctions not legalize the settlements azurnoir Mar 2014 #6

There would've been no need for the UN to vote on making settlements illegal... shira Mar 2014 #19

Certainly there is, shira. The 4th Geneva convention is extremely clear on that. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #24

You're ignoring Geneva Article 2 - b/w 2 high contracting (sovereign) powers shira Mar 2014 #34

And we have another Shira Fail. Did we expect less? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #39

So you just ignore Article 2, pretending it doesn't exist. Nice. shira Mar 2014 #43

How many times does one get to post bold faced lies before I bring it to MIRT? R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #7

there are unfortunately no rules against doing that azurnoir Mar 2014 #8

Actually... R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #9

unfortunately in the I/P situation what is considered the truth is apparently subjective azurnoir Mar 2014 #10

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I know and I'm sorry azurnoir Mar 2014 #12

Pure Machiavellianism. Fozzledick Mar 2014 #14

Orwellian, isn't it? Looks like someone is looking for ANY excuse.... shira Mar 2014 #16

Exactly true in this case, King_David Mar 2014 #21

No. I have proven that some will lie with impunity. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #25

Not at all, I just agree that you are the worst offender. Fozzledick Mar 2014 #27

Yep. King_David Mar 2014 #28

. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #30

Hilarious. And yet pathetic. Thanks for the link. n/t shira Mar 2014 #35

I don't engage, King_David Mar 2014 #38

Why is that question being asked I wonder ? King_David Mar 2014 #20

You tell me. Why is Art 7 on the Convention of the Rights of a Child a lie? shira Mar 2014 #17

See #15. Read it and weep. Geneva 49 doesn't apply in the case of settlements. n/t shira Mar 2014 #18

Since you are unwilling to post to article 49 I will. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2014 #22

The relevant parts to Geneva 49 are based on Geneva 2 shira Mar 2014 #36

what you've stated is that because the Palestinians are stateless Israel is free to do as it wishes azurnoir Mar 2014 #41

I stated that Geneva 49 doesn't apply in the case of disputed non-sovereign land. shira Mar 2014 #44

but Geneva 49 does not give Israel the right to expell the existing population of that land azurnoir Mar 2014 #47

Please provide an example and the specific part of Geneva that would apply. n/t shira Mar 2014 #50

I already did you claimed that it did not apply to Palestinians azurnoir Mar 2014 #54

actually there is more than that azurnoir Mar 2014 #26

Again, Geneva Art. 2 proves u wrong. I've posted it 3X in this thread. Read it. n/t shira Mar 2014 #37

That would be true except on November 29 2012 the UNGA recognized Palestine azurnoir Mar 2014 #42

Oh? So now Palestine is a sovereign high-contracting country? n/t shira Mar 2014 #45

Israel still does not have the right to expell the existing population or transfer it own citizens azurnoir Mar 2014 #48

Right. Shaktimaan Mar 2014 #51

Israel transfers prisoners outside of the OPT regularly to prisons in Israel azurnoir Mar 2014 #53

right Shaktimaan Mar 2014 #55

still and none the less allowing it's citizens to set up shop on land not part of sovereign Israel azurnoir Mar 2014 #56

actually Shaktimaan Mar 2014 #57

in any of the issues I counted here there is no one incident but rather a repeated pattern azurnoir Mar 2014 #62

Here's the text of the resolution the US vetoed. It was reaffirming the illegality of settlements... Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #58

Thanks - can u point me to the exact International Law declaring settlements illegal? n/t shira Mar 2014 #59

It's Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention... Violet_Crumble Mar 2014 #60

Okay, thanks. I obviously disagree.... shira Mar 2014 #61