Israel/Palestine

shira

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19. Right. Its citizens should just lie back & take the rockets. n/t

Reply to bemildred (Reply #17)

Mon Jul 7, 2014, 07:26 PM

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Speak now, or forever hold your peace [View all] shira Jul 2014 OP

I'm gonna go out on a limb and posit that this author geek tragedy Jul 2014 #1

Jews worldwide are universally horrified at the recent murder..... shira Jul 2014 #4

do you really think this atrocity was the first time Jews had geek tragedy Jul 2014 #6

Israel doesn't intentionally seek to harm Palestinians.... shira Jul 2014 #8

What a complete fabrication you just made. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #96

But is that even true? Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #78

Israel's thuggish tactics in dealing with the first intifada did not quell it. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #84

The first intifada isn't a good example. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #86

same motivation that an alcoholic has to stop drinking, even though he knows geek tragedy Jul 2014 #87

In a sense I don't disagree. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #95

So, you think israel would be better served invading Lebanon and occupying it geek tragedy Jul 2014 #97

That's obviously not what I'm saying. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #98

the problem is that Israel is incapable of negotiating with geek tragedy Jul 2014 #99

They already do. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #103

Can that 'government' enter into binding legal treaties geek tragedy Jul 2014 #104

Depends. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #105

'Disputed land' which is convenient since geek tragedy Jul 2014 #106

It's both actually. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #108

Israel will never admit it annexed the WB. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #109

Huh? Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #110

'Shared power?' geek tragedy Jul 2014 #111

The PA has the power they agreed to. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #118

let's take these in reverse order: geek tragedy Jul 2014 #119

I'll take these one at a time Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #136

Here is the actual page on Israel South African relations - note the edit date azurnoir Jul 2014 #137

And? Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #138

Israel was objectively a supporter and enabler geek tragedy Jul 2014 #141

You're right. Actions do trump words. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #155

The Problem With That Line Is This, Ma'am The Magistrate Jul 2014 #2

It looks like this message is intended.... shira Jul 2014 #7

That Some, Ma'am, Who Posture As Neutral Are Partisan, I Would Not Deny The Magistrate Jul 2014 #9

Israel's not a victim, I agree. Its citizens sometimes are, however. n/t shira Jul 2014 #10

How many people were killed or injured? n/t Scootaloo Jul 2014 #3

How many have to be killed or injured.... shira Jul 2014 #5

I don't believe in killing people over insult and property damage Scootaloo Jul 2014 #12

Excusing Hamas war crimes, attempted murder, collective punishment.... shira Jul 2014 #14

Call it what you want. Either way, people get blown up. Scootaloo Jul 2014 #47

IOW, Israel should wait for their technology to fail & just "take it" until then. shira Jul 2014 #56

You're emphasizing the point i'm making Scootaloo Jul 2014 #62

Israelis have been in bomb shelters all day. I know that means nothing to you.... shira Jul 2014 #64

See my edit to the above post Scootaloo Jul 2014 #65

Could you clarify something for me Scooty? Fozzledick Jul 2014 #67

That's what you're gonna go with huh? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #71

Yeah, destroying the rockets before they're fired does prevent them from being fired. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #80

Can you name for me the make of missile that only destroys rockets? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #81

Hey. come back here with those goal posts! Fozzledick Jul 2014 #85

You're the one saying that these missiles only kill other, lesser missiles Scootaloo Jul 2014 #89

I never said that. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #90

I tell you I oppose killing people. You retort that it's rockets beign targeted. Scootaloo Jul 2014 #91

When you can only try put your words in my mouth you've given up answering. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #94

That's a typical Scootaloo's fabricated argument King_David Jul 2014 #113

Congratulations! You've just solved the gun control problem is the U.S.!! Fozzledick Jul 2014 #63

We didn't blow up Elliot Rodger's neighborhood and call it "self-defense" n/t Scootaloo Jul 2014 #66

He wasn't a terrorist group with an arsenal of thousands of rockets. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #68

Yeah, and invading Afghanistan was a hideously stupid move and wasteful of thousands of lives Scootaloo Jul 2014 #73

You seemed to be suggesting that we wouldn't respond to terrorism with force. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #76

Does responding to terrorism with force stop it? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #79

Ah, the old all-or-nothing false dichotomy. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #83

The what now? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #88

Now you're just ranting incoherently. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #92

If you say so, Fozzie Scootaloo Jul 2014 #93

How would you respond to someone shooting bullets at you & your family? shira Jul 2014 #116

I would respond by getting my family the fuck out of there as fast as I could Scootaloo Jul 2014 #124

All Israelis are now within rocket range. You can't escape the bullets either... shira Jul 2014 #125

I persist in not kidnapping their kids and setting them on fire Scootaloo Jul 2014 #127

Enough diversions. Do you hide in a shelter forever like Israelis�. shira Jul 2014 #128

It's not a diversion, it' a distinction Scootaloo Jul 2014 #129

We both agree that deliberately targeting innocents is horrifically wrong... shira Jul 2014 #130

No, I'm not sure WE agree with that statement at all Scootaloo Jul 2014 #133

Israel's record WRT preventing civilian casualties during war is better�. shira Jul 2014 #134

This is what i'm talking about Scootaloo Jul 2014 #135

Your opposition to Israeli self-defense is immoral shira Jul 2014 #142

You're still doing it. Scootaloo Jul 2014 #143

Taking your view to the extreme, it would've been immoral to defend vs. the Nazis�. shira Jul 2014 #144

"To the extreme" indeed Scootaloo Jul 2014 #145

I just wrote that the Allies could have done everything possible to protect civilians�. shira Jul 2014 #146

And I asked you something so I could get a clearer focus before answering Scootaloo Jul 2014 #147

You're deflecting & I won't play along. Please answer me first. shira Jul 2014 #148

No, i'm not. Scootaloo Jul 2014 #149

No, that was not moral. Your turn now. n/t shira Jul 2014 #150

Interesting. Are you sure that these were not moral? Scootaloo Jul 2014 #151

I asked you about the Allies doing all they could to avoid civilian casualties�. shira Jul 2014 #152

But that IS exactly what they did - they dropped that bomb, and many more besides Scootaloo Jul 2014 #153

Once again, if the Allies REALLY and truly did all they could to prevent�. shira Jul 2014 #154

+1 n/t shira Jul 2014 #75

Ah good, more sanctimonious twaddle. That is sure to help. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #11

Let's remember this when Israel is forced to respond big time. n/t shira Jul 2014 #16

Israel is not forced to do squat. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #17

Right. Its citizens should just lie back & take the rockets. n/t shira Jul 2014 #19

If you like the way things are going, keep doing what you are doing. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #20

What do u suggest Israel does? Total surrender to Hamas/Islamic Jihad demands? shira Jul 2014 #22

That is not for me to decide. bemildred Jul 2014 #23

IOW, u have no good suggestions other than condemning everything..... shira Jul 2014 #25

You prefer happy talk? A shining city on the hill? That kind of thing? nt bemildred Jul 2014 #59

I expect a reasonable solution rather than childish No's to everything. n/t shira Jul 2014 #60

Good luck. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #69

Israel has the power, they have the jets and nukes, and the money, they made this mess. nt bemildred Jul 2014 #24

Power to do what? Force Jihadis into making peace? n/t shira Jul 2014 #26

Well what the hell are they good for then? nt bemildred Jul 2014 #58

Huh? You mean more powerful weapons, money...? n/t shira Jul 2014 #61

Are they doing a good job of protecting Israel? bemildred Jul 2014 #72

If Israel had inferior weapons than its enemies, u think it'd still exist? n/t shira Jul 2014 #77

Back then Israel had nothing. No guns, no money, no jets. Nothing like now. Right? bemildred Jul 2014 #82

Israel's problem, every respected human rights group has documented war crimes for both sides Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #13

it read more like a demand for absolution from whatever might happen azurnoir Jul 2014 #15

I think the pro-Pal. anti-Israel contingent is rooting for another OCL.... shira Jul 2014 #21

well some may be but you may be confused about some aspects of just who that is n/t azurnoir Jul 2014 #100

And what is the main objective in the end? Same as it has been, do not cede any land. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #29

You have no answer for what will follow full IDF withdrawal... shira Jul 2014 #33

I have no answer? You're hilarious, in a sad way. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #35

What's your answer to Hamas, ISIS, Al-Qaeda, etc. within short walking distance.... shira Jul 2014 #39

You're losing it if you think any rational person is going to accept a hair on fire, Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #49

It's not called the Arab/Israel conflict for nothing. shira Jul 2014 #52

I feel sorry for you, truly. We're done here. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #53

how do you go about attaining peace in the middle of a military occupation and colonization project? azurnoir Jul 2014 #101

true enough in an over all sense of the situation azurnoir Jul 2014 #102

That's all I ever see. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #112

Making excuses for Hamas war crimes? "They don't have an army so...." shira Jul 2014 #18

Israel's enemies have many armies Fozzledick Jul 2014 #27

Background on Human Shields Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #31

Meanwhile Hamas continues to place offensive weapons in highly populated areas Fozzledick Jul 2014 #34

And? How does that obsolve Israel's government and I suggest you rely on a right wing Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #37

Do we at least agree Hamas uses civilians as shields when attacking Israelis? shira Jul 2014 #41

I go by the reports, they are responsible for what amounts to war crimes, they are responsible Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #43

So is that a Yes or No? Is Hamas guilty of human shielding war crimes? n/t shira Jul 2014 #45

Try and figure it out...read the reports, there are about 300 just on OCL. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #51

I asked you & it seems you're in denial of these war crimes. How nice & progressive. n/t shira Jul 2014 #54

Your dishonesty on the reports are foolish. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #55

What do the reports say about these Hamas war crimes? Where R your links now? n/t shira Jul 2014 #57

You're very foolish to imagine anyone is excusing war crimes, other than those who support Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #28

Find me an unequivocal full-throated condemnation of the recent rocket barrage.... shira Jul 2014 #40

the past week Human Rights groups have condemning the deaths of 3 Israelis, remember them? azurnoir Jul 2014 #107

Not to nearly the same extent. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #70

You perceive them that way. We have had this same conversation before, with your same gentleman Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #74

Not true. Look at the twitter feed for Ken Roth (HRW) for example... shira Jul 2014 #30

Nonsense, they're documents after documents condemning Hamas. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #32

Where are recent condemnations? Over 100 rockets into Israel in past 2 days.... shira Jul 2014 #38

Oh you want recent, up to the minute blow by blow...then I suggest you read their websites. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #42

They're recent on any & every thing Israel does. Why not the rockets? shira Jul 2014 #44

You are free to read their reports, and press releases. But do keep trying to move those Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #46

Like I wrote, you've got nothing. Thanks. n/t shira Jul 2014 #48

You're afraid to look...it's ok. I get that. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #50

Roth barely mentions Israel at all in any context including the present one azurnoir Jul 2014 #122

I`m going to re-read reply #2 at least ten more times. democrank Jul 2014 #36

Israel is the only nation on earth expected to view a rocket a minute fired at civilians Kurska Jul 2014 #114

I am inclined to agree Harmony Blue Jul 2014 #117

Where is the outrage over the bombardment of civilians in Israel? shira Jul 2014 #115

Well, shira, you have enough fake R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #120

This isn't about me personally. It's about the so-called pro-Palestinian.... shira Jul 2014 #121

But it is, my dear, especially when your fake outrage machine gins up hatred against R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #123

"speak now, or forever hold your piece"? Ken Burch Jul 2014 #126

Hamas sabbat hunter Jul 2014 #131

The rocket barrage started last month... shira Jul 2014 #132

Hamas firing rockets Anarcho-Socialist Jul 2014 #139

the occupation is perfectly legal sabbat hunter Jul 2014 #140

The occupation is illegal? Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #156

This OP was written in the hours PRECEEDING Israel's military response. shira Jul 2014 #157

There was no condemnation of Hamas, just silence, until Israel fired back.... shira Sep 2014 #158