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Jefferson23

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170. I know what you're concerned with, shira..no worries. No human rights group has given them cover.

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Thu Jul 17, 2014, 05:11 PM

Jul 2014

They just don't write them as you would...out of presumptions and bias.

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Al Jazeera... Israel Killed Mostly Combatant-Age Males, Not Women or Children [View all] shira Jul 2014 OP

That's coming from Al Jazeera? Warpy Jul 2014 #1

It's terribly mischaracterized. Here's the A-J piece cali Jul 2014 #8

The author has authored a propaganda piece, the first link takes one to AJ and the following, the Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #14

There's nothing mischaracterized. Most of the dead are males.... shira Jul 2014 #15

so you consider 13 and 60+ to be of combatant age? Figures. Disgusting mischaracterization. cali Jul 2014 #18

Read the article for methods used in breaking down the numbers. n/t shira Jul 2014 #21

Oh, I did read your vile right wingnut hyperpartisan site breakdown cali Jul 2014 #59

'vile' "shame" "fucking" "shit" "disgusting" "dog shit" PCIntern Jul 2014 #115

Cali has you pegged. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #159

How do you mean "pegged"....? PCIntern Jul 2014 #160

Go ahead and alert. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #186

Why don't you google it Mr Knowitall? PCIntern Jul 2014 #191

I do know what it means. You apparently do not so I insist that you alert R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #192

Backing away as usual? PCIntern Jul 2014 #194

160. PCIntern (15,041 posts) How do you mean "pegged"....? R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #195

pretty sure it meant this azurnoir Jul 2014 #196

You know quite well that my vocabulary is extensive and my command of the english language cali Jul 2014 #161

You're wrong... PCIntern Jul 2014 #162

Well then why don't you just have an alert fest. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #193

Cannot one be both a combat-age male and also a civilian? arcane1 Jul 2014 #2

Of course, but some media are reporting... shira Jul 2014 #17

says wiho? YOU? cali Jul 2014 #19

Nope, Al Jazeera's list says. n/t shira Jul 2014 #25

Congratulations, Shira. You stepped into the David Duke persona and are spewing his hateful shizzle. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #72

Just countering bigotry. Same centuries old Blood Libels... shira Jul 2014 #121

You are not countering bigotry. R. Daneel Olivaw Jul 2014 #158

In all fairness, it's a probability problem. Igel Jul 2014 #73

Well put. The OP claim is that IAF missions are not indiscriminate.... shira Jul 2014 #81

75% of Israeli civilians killed are male... shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #98

Media, the U.N. Rights groups are reporting that 70% of the dead are civilians cali Jul 2014 #34

Where are they getting their info. from, Hamas? n/t shira Jul 2014 #36

The Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting in America, or CAMERA, is an American non-profit Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #3

Data comes from Al-Jazeera. n/t shira Jul 2014 #6

Please read your own OP's. Published CAMERA's. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #11

Yeah, CAMERA broke down A-J data. Gee whiz. n/t shira Jul 2014 #13

You know that is not representing the truth...totally dishonest piece. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #20

How so? Be specific. n/t shira Jul 2014 #23

Respected human rights groups contradict with their data, which can be located and read by Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #31

The numbers come out of Gaza, from Hamas officials. shira Jul 2014 #35

Please explain, your assertion now is that B'Tselem and AI take their data from Hamas? Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #38

Gaza Ministry of Health (run by Hamas) reports on deaths. n/t shira Jul 2014 #49

So what you're saying is you have no support for your earlier assertion that B'Tselem and AI Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #54

The Gaza Health Ministry is Hamas. That's what they rely on. n/t shira Jul 2014 #141

Link that please, where you have documentation of some kind that B'tselem relies soley Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #142

Let's agree the Gaza Health Ministry is Hamas. Can u do that? shira Jul 2014 #144

Oh please..why would they have to satisfy you? Too sad how you smear them Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #165

Aren't you at all concerned for Palestinian victims of Hamas war crimes? shira Jul 2014 #168

I know what you're concerned with, shira..no worries. No human rights group has given them cover. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #170

Your Human Rights NGO's have yet to report on Hamas war crimes vs Palestinians. shira Jul 2014 #171

Carry on, shira...no facts and all. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #173

When you can find one report about Hamas war crimes vs Palestinians�.. shira Jul 2014 #174

They're all over the internet...at the respective websites. You ask such silly things. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #175

Find one, from one of your preferred human rights NGO's. n/t shira Jul 2014 #177

I don't need to...Google is your friend..if you dare. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #178

Point proven. They don't exist. You even deny these war crimes. shira Jul 2014 #181

If you dare..make sure you don't go an look now. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #184

This message was self-deleted by its author cerveza_gratis Jul 2014 #203

To be fair... Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #97

One could argue and argue well against CAMERA's reputation beng reliable..I don't believe it is. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #102

No. I don't understand. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #198

yeah. including young teens and old men as enemy combatants. gee whiz. disgusting. cali Jul 2014 #24

I am shocked and appalled that the OP would use a propaganda group for his fluff piece. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #22

Then break down Al-Jazeera's list yourself & compare to CAMERA. n/t shira Jul 2014 #27

Take a hint from all the overwhelming rejection of your claim, take a break. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #29

codwallop or more succinctly: Garbage. cali Jul 2014 #4

I linked to the Al Jazeera article in the OP. The data is all there. n/t shira Jul 2014 #7

Yeah, and I linked to actual accurate information cali Jul 2014 #10

The info. you link from comes straight from Gaza (Hamas officials) shira Jul 2014 #12

bullshit, shira. endless pro-Israel propaganda from the worst right wing fuckwads. That's what YOU cali Jul 2014 #28

Ynet News is not rightwing... shira Jul 2014 #53

Didn't say it was, did I, shira? cali Jul 2014 #56

Haaretz is leftwing, and they report Hamas using child militants too... shira Jul 2014 #58

So? what does that have to do with the lying article you posted? cali Jul 2014 #63

There were no lies in it. CAMERA is very reliable�. shira Jul 2014 #150

so its ok to kill males as long as they are "combatant age". nice to know nt msongs Jul 2014 #5

Yep. "Civilian" means children and women only, apparently. arcane1 Jul 2014 #9

I just went through those names and ages, Shira cali Jul 2014 #16

Double shame on the serial misinformation from the poster. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #26

For sure. It's the hypocrisy that galls me. cali Jul 2014 #30

The victim mentality of some people is addictive. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #33

this goes beyond that. but it's kind of you to look at it that way. cali Jul 2014 #39

Unbelievable, it is like they do not see Palestinians as human beings, even as they are essentially Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #42

This is a particularly egregious thread and example of dehumanization cali Jul 2014 #44

I alerted on video posted earlier that showed a many years old video of a female teacher in Gaza Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #46

Which post? Can u link me to it? And can u post jury results? n/t shira Jul 2014 #48

I do not work for free. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #52

thanks for nothing. n/t shira Jul 2014 #60

gee. you post something as repugnant as this op and then you complain when people cali Jul 2014 #64

Criticizing Hamas for using child combatants is racist & dehumanizing, HOW? n/t shira Jul 2014 #51

Do some research & you'll see Hamas trains teens for combat... shira Jul 2014 #32

This is interesting, would not say? Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #37

Another article on Hamas using children as combatants... shira Jul 2014 #40

ooh, another right wing source. Congrats. That's all you've used in this horrid thread. cali Jul 2014 #43

Denying it happens doesn't help these child victims of Hamas shira Jul 2014 #47

Please. You give NO indication ever of caring about Palestinian children. cali Jul 2014 #55

You are the one crying "shameless" as if Hamas using children.... shira Jul 2014 #65

What about those four children on the beach? bravenak Jul 2014 #67

Absolutely tragic. I have kids that young too. n/t shira Jul 2014 #79

and who is responsible for those kids being bombed to death, Shira? cali Jul 2014 #82

Who's idea was it to "open the gates of hell"? Who refused the cease fire? Fozzledick Jul 2014 #90

Oh please. It's far more complex than that. Disingenuous is the kindest word I can apply cali Jul 2014 #91

If the act was deliberate, Israel. Otherwise, Hamas. n/t shira Jul 2014 #122

black and white "thinking". cali Jul 2014 #133

We'll know soon enough once an investigation concludes�. shira Jul 2014 #143

They did not look like 'human shields' to me. bravenak Jul 2014 #83

Haaretz reports that the IDF took out a rocket launcher nearby�. shira Jul 2014 #124

You have produced not one iota of evidence that any child killed in the bombings cali Jul 2014 #68

But that's not what anyone is claiming. It's whether those killed.... shira Jul 2014 #85

that's what is STRONGLY implied. That is the point of the repulsive dog shit from CAMERA that you cali Jul 2014 #99

No, the point of the CAMERA article is to counter the lies�. shira Jul 2014 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author cerveza_gratis Jul 2014 #197

Palwatch? SHAME SHAME SHAME. cali Jul 2014 #41

Jpost and Milla Project shira Jul 2014 #45

You didn't know that JPost is rightwing crap? Now you do. cali Jul 2014 #50

Every teen in Israel is trained for combat. babylonsister Jul 2014 #127

Teens in Gaza are 14 and older. Trained to be terrorists. Understand now? n/t shira Jul 2014 #129

No. I think you're in a grave state of denial. nt babylonsister Jul 2014 #131

I call, imthevicar Jul 2014 #57

and you call it right. I've looked at the crap she's claiming in accurate. Pile of shit assumption cali Jul 2014 #61

no deaths are acceptable MFM008 Jul 2014 #62

This is a shameful attempt. bravenak Jul 2014 #66

Yes it is. And even more so when you investigate and find out how dishonest this interpretation is. cali Jul 2014 #69

I have gotten used to this. bravenak Jul 2014 #77

I've been doing this on and off in I/P for a decade now and I will not accept it. Not from either cali Jul 2014 #89

I glad you are not easy to please. bravenak Jul 2014 #92

You are a true hero for putting up this fight - n/t mazzarro Jul 2014 #201

not. but it's kind of you to say so. thanks. cali Jul 2014 #202

did you notice the combatant age is set at 15 years old? azurnoir Jul 2014 #70

Yes. Rarely have I seen such a heaping pile of hateful bigoted dog shit cali Jul 2014 #71

But yet here we are, honestly I'm torn between not wanting censorship azurnoir Jul 2014 #74

It wouldn't be censorship. Blatant lying hateful propaganda. cali Jul 2014 #84

I think they believe themselves that it's okay to set the double standards in their own favor. bravenak Jul 2014 #80

The claim isn't that all males are combatants.... shira Jul 2014 #78

oh bullshit. I read your CAMERA crap. cali Jul 2014 #86

That's why it's such a shock that Al Jazeera reported it. Warpy Jul 2014 #103

I thought this was a breakdown of the Aljezeera report by CAMERA. bravenak Jul 2014 #104

Wow, the lynch mob action in this thread is amazing, but the numbers tell a clear story. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #75

No. They absolutely do not. They are counting 15 year olds as combatant age cali Jul 2014 #87

Because 15 year old males R combatant age. Blame Hams for that one, lady. n/t shira Jul 2014 #152

Depraved. Just depraved. geek tragedy Jul 2014 #106

Depraved indeed. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #107

Yes, yes, the only moral question in the entire universe is whether something advances the agenda geek tragedy Jul 2014 #108

Nasty obsession you've got there. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #109

disgusting obsession you have in defending oppression and occupation and cali Jul 2014 #111

thanks, this conversation has actually been very instructive geek tragedy Jul 2014 #126

The numbers tell a clear story all right, just not the one you Israeli propagandists push. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #110

These claims of 80% civilian casualties were made in the Gaza war of 2008-09�. shira Jul 2014 #125

Richard Kemp is a reliable unbiased source? No. Numerous human rights groups reports Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #132

Yeah, Kemp is reliable and he uses UN figures as proof. Look it up. n/t shira Jul 2014 #145

No, I think if you prefer to ignore his history you can do that, but not many would find a man Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #149

You rely on NGO's who still deny to this day Hamas cynically uses�. shira Jul 2014 #151

I do? Since when do B'Tselem and AI, HRW, deny Hamas crimes? Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #153

They deny Hamas human shielding. They have yet to report on it... shira Jul 2014 #154

You can make false claims, but you have no backing. I hope you realize that. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #155

There are no reports of Hamas human shielding from the NGO's... shira Jul 2014 #156

You don't like the reports, because they don't exonerate Israel's policies toward the Palestinians. Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #164

Your NGO's suffer a credibility problem when they cover for Hamas war crimes... shira Jul 2014 #167

You're missing the point entirely. Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #199

And this justifies murdering these people? hrmjustin Jul 2014 #76

No, this proves that civilians are not deliberately or indiscriminately targeted by Israel. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #93

I don't know how Israel chooses their targets but killing civilians is unacceptable. hrmjustin Jul 2014 #94

It does not prove any such thing. gad. cali Jul 2014 #96

Except for pre-teens playing on a beach deliberately targeted by warships? HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #100

Thanks. The people who got killed will take great comfort in that. JEFF9K Jul 2014 #88

The four dead 10 year olds playing on the beach and their parents profusely thank Israel for not Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #95

"Combat age" will be redefined downwards soon by the RW propaganda mongers. HooptieWagon Jul 2014 #101

Israel has the worlds greatest propaganda machine, no doubt. It is a source of national pride. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #123

The propaganda is that Israel is a uniquely evil nazi state. n/t shira Jul 2014 #128

It is not unique at all, and the strawman ploy is not effective here, you should know that by now. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #135

Yes, that propaganda which is the mirror image of the shit you post constantly is cali Jul 2014 #137

I condemn Hamas & Pal. terrorists harshly. That is not demonization of Palestinians. shira Jul 2014 #146

You show no concern for Palestinians. Your defense of everything and anything Israel cali Jul 2014 #163

There's criticism of Israel that is fair, which I never condemn, and then... shira Jul 2014 #169

sure. shira, dear. sure. gad. cali Jul 2014 #183

I'm sure all the dead women and children feel better knowing that statistic. BillZBubb Jul 2014 #105

Bravo Cali ... Israeli Jul 2014 #112

Thanks very much, I. This is just too much; blatant misleading propaganda. It shouldn't cali Jul 2014 #116

Oh so its ok then. Notafraidtoo Jul 2014 #113

sorry Notafraidtoo.... Israeli Jul 2014 #114

Shira says she's a Democrat King_David Jul 2014 #118

We're on a Democratic Party forum & the most hostile critics here�. shira Jul 2014 #120

Sorry, but my Senator does criticize Israel cali Jul 2014 #134

Your senator doesn't demonize Israel & that's the real story here. n/t shira Jul 2014 #140

Don't forget they're also against President Obama's position. Fozzledick Jul 2014 #138

Of course they are. And worse, they'll claim it's because Obama�. shira Jul 2014 #147

Do you feel that reasoning defines your positions as approrpriate to the conflict? An appeal Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #139

No response, shira? n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #185

Your views on I/P are not shared by any sitting Democrats. In fact�. shira Jul 2014 #187

My gosh you are desparate...sad, really. Considering this is the only group you post in, one Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #188

Didn't think you could do it. I rest my case. Have the last word. n/t shira Jul 2014 #189

Post#139, it's all inclusive. You haven't touched it, not once yet. n/t Jefferson23 Jul 2014 #190

It probably will be justifiably hidden, though I won't alert cali Jul 2014 #117

What a crock. This assumes that all males between 16-40 are combatants. Wow. Very bad OregonBlue Jul 2014 #130

Please, please, please read more carefully. A-J did NOT do this. CAMERA did. cali Jul 2014 #136

No, it means contrary to Hamas propaganda, Gaza citizens are not being�. shira Jul 2014 #148

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #157

military forces, all military forces- particularly from countries that aggressively use their cali Jul 2014 #166

The claim about Hamas human shields "has some truth"? Some? shira Jul 2014 #172

yes. some. Hamas is pretty damn factional and hardly a cohesive army. cali Jul 2014 #176

You're minimizing Hamas war crimes vs Palestinians... shira Jul 2014 #179

bwahahaaha. you are a piece of work. way to address proof that I am not like you cali Jul 2014 #180

cali, you can't minimize Hamas war crimes against their own people�. shira Jul 2014 #182

Nicely said Shaktimaan Jul 2014 #200