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Jefferson23

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36. Right or wrong, they are stating now and have before, that no matter when they have kept to
Thu Aug 7, 2014, 12:30 PM
Aug 2014

agreements, it does not result in anything of substance for them. When people are desperate
they do desperate things..expecting all people to submit is not likely to occur. Human nature
will find a way to fight back, and that usually does not come packaged in a hearts and flowers campaign.
Their people in Gaza have expressed some tragic sentiments, such as they would rather die quickly
than slowly under the siege...judge them as you will. To me, this tells me how beyond hope people
can become.


Civil disobedience, en masse was not the chosen path for Hamas, and I will add, not for Abbas, either.

They are both mistaken, imho.

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Jefferson, I find it hard to think that Obama's "ease the hardships of Palestinians" ellenrr Aug 2014 #1
He is beginning to speak to a plan that will end the conflict. These are the promises Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #3
"Obama is being truthful and sincere, making sure they retain a viable state" ellenrr Aug 2014 #12
ellenrr, you misunderstood, see my copy of what I said earlier. Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #14
sorry no, I don't get it- but anyway I know you and I share the desire for ellenrr Aug 2014 #39
ok, but what I tried to convey was that, yes..Obama will make good on relief for the Palestinians. Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #40
Why the "but" in the title? FBaggins Aug 2014 #2
That was my understanding too. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #4
US envoy arrives in Cairo for Gaza truce talks Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #5
Israel, Hamas at odds over truce extension Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #6
Hamas fighter: We have more weapons, can hit more Israeli cities Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #7
Lieberman urges Germany and EU to send inspectors to Gaza Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #8
Obamas statement is interesting. bemildred Aug 2014 #9
Appears Hamas may not be bluffing and ready to begin again but in the end, how can Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #10
Yeah, it's all kind of predictable up to that point. bemildred Aug 2014 #13
I wouldn't either, and not sure Lieberman wants to..so what is up with his request? Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #15
Yep, but also "not back down". bemildred Aug 2014 #16
Hamas may go for broke, and win public support IF they can express to their people Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #17
Reason will only take you so far, people are not reasonable. bemildred Aug 2014 #18
Hamas: Gaza War Not Over Until Israel Lifts Blockade bemildred Aug 2014 #23
I just got around to reading Obama's statement. bemildred Aug 2014 #19
He may use more pressure too, that is up to him. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #22
That's the question. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #24
The problem with that statement... FBaggins Aug 2014 #20
You can look at it that way, if you want to. bemildred Aug 2014 #21
I don't know about the price being right FBaggins Aug 2014 #25
Stopping Israel Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #11
Egypt seeking to soften Hamas demands in bid to keep truce going Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #26
IDF soldiers tasked with tunnel destruction not trained for primary mission Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #27
Your headline is very misleading leftynyc Aug 2014 #28
Hamas: If Gaza blockade isn't lifted, we'll renew fire Friday Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #29
Aw... crap! FBaggins Aug 2014 #33
They may do so, yes. To them they are not blowing it, there are no gains thus far, so they Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #34
"To them they are not blowing it" FBaggins Aug 2014 #35
Right or wrong, they are stating now and have before, that no matter when they have kept to Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #36
Egyptian official: PA representative threatens to quit talks, if Hamas doesn't show 'flexibility' Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #30
German foreign minister: prepared to play a part in monitoring border crossings Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #31
Hamas pressured to accept Egypt’s cease-fire demand Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #32
Obama: Gaza cannot remain closed off Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #37
Israel stripped of Davis Cup tournament due to conflict Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #38
EU powers propose: Gaza reconstruction in exchange for Hamas disarmament Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #41
Israel to declare Gaza 'enemy territory' to avoid payouts to inhabitants Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #42
Gaza electricity company fixed 6 main lines, working to repair more Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #43
Hamas: Ceasefire extension contingent of seaport establishment Ynetnews Published: 08.07.14, 21:50 Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #44
Back from Gaza, troops talk of a tougher Hamas and feelings of a job unfinished Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #45
Israeli Army Whistle-Blower Gets Arrested After Posting ‘Israeli Troops Killed Gaza Civilians Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #46
That story seems to have legs. bemildred Aug 2014 #47
Yes, it's only the beginning, I think. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #48
Quite. bemildred Aug 2014 #49
I have no idea any more. His cabinet seemed disappointed with that horrific analysis Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #51
Their butts are on the line too. bemildred Aug 2014 #52
Yea, that is true..cooler heads prevailing seems unrealistic. Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #54
Now this is what I've been waiting for. What happens now? bemildred Aug 2014 #55
Can't he figure out a way to blame the UN? Hey, shit I really want to go back and Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #56
LOL. Yeah, something like that. nt bemildred Aug 2014 #57
At some point, various other issues are going to come up: bemildred Aug 2014 #50
Concise list, and as you suggest..it will grow. n/t Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #53
AIPAC's Phony Iron Dome Vote Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #58
An insane alliance: Israel and Egypt against Gaza Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #59
Palestinians say 5 killed in Gaza; Iron Dome intercepts two rockets in south Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #60
3 more killed in Gaza despite unofficial ceasefire until 8 p.m Jefferson23 Aug 2014 #61
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