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azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
34. far most recently Israel has been responsible for the deaths of nearly 500 Palstinian children
Mon Sep 8, 2014, 11:08 PM
Sep 2014

but yet you seem to be the only one going on about a supposed 160 children mentioned in a paper written by Nicholas Pelham in 2011 for some reason leading to ask : exactly who's deflecting here and from what exactly?



have you actually read Pelhams paper BTW or just what Jpost and other Rightist sources say about it?, I have and Pelham contradicts himself, it's an interesting read it goes into how tunnel workers in Gaza made more than facotry workers in the West Bank and working in the tunnels was one of the pitifully few means of gainful employment in Gaza

first Pelham states this :

Once in control of the commercial tunnels, the Hamas government set about formalizing the smuggling economy through regulation. In the wake of Operation Cast Lead, the Interior Ministry established the Tunnel Affairs Commission (TAC) to act as the regulatory authority for commercial activities. Among its first acts was to issue a list of blacklisted imports, including weapons, alcohol, and tramadol, a painkiller much used in Gaza. In response to public concern at a rising toll of tunnel casualties, particularly of child workers, the TAC issued guidelines intended to ensure safe working conditions. Over time, it fenced off the site and stationed some three hundred black-clad internal-security personnel at entry points to spot-check the documentation of persons entering and leaving the zone. Tunnel openings were patrolled on motorbike. The TAC introduced a tunnel-licensing system to prevent construction in areas deemed of national security (particularly near border fortifications where outside observation was feared, or in areas reserved for factional tunneling) and to regulate oversupply. Investors seeking clearance to build a new tunnel were required to provide proof of land ownership or notarized proof of authorization of the right to use the land. The TAC also intervened to arbitrate disputes between merchants and tunnel operators, and monitored the market for instances of sharp inflation or evidence of hoarding and price-fixing, particularly of fuel. Traders and consumers alike said they welcomed the price stabilization and removal of petty traders selling gasoline from the roadsides.

Violations were punished. In 2009–10, for instance, the TAC closed at least five tunnels for smuggling tramadol and two for nonpayment of cigarette taxes. It destroyed an additional fifty nonoperational tunnels to prevent their use as safe houses or conduits to and from Egypt by “wanted” individuals. “We used to earn thousands smuggling small shipments of hand guns, grenades, bullets, and TNT,” said a tunnel operator who first entered the business at the end of the second intifada, “but it is no longer worth the risk to be prosecuted by Hamas.”


http://www.palestine-studies.org/jps/fulltext/42605

then a number of paragraphs later near the end of the paper makes the claim Jpost advertises a conclusion he reaches after accompanying one police patrol, also what is not stated is how any of these children died or how many of them died in the frequent IDF bombing runs on the tunnels

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If you disagree with Israels right to murder over 500 innocent children 4now Sep 2014 #1
Many, if not most, of the same people who condemn the killing of children in Gaza cheapdate Sep 2014 #2
They don't compare the US and UK to Nazi Germany constantly.... shira Sep 2014 #40
Jews have a right to defend themselves against Hamas fascists. shira Sep 2014 #3
And they defend themselves by murdering over 500 innocent children 4now Sep 2014 #4
Hamas chose war. There are civilian casualties in all wars... shira Sep 2014 #6
Israel murdered over 500 innocent children in less then 2 months 4now Sep 2014 #9
So it wasn't self-defense? Are Israelis allowed to defend against Hamas fascists? shira Sep 2014 #13
Is Israel allowed to murder over 500 innocent children 4now Sep 2014 #14
So that's a no, right? No right to self-defense against Hamas fascism? n/t shira Sep 2014 #15
Did I say that? No I didn't. 4now Sep 2014 #17
So to be clear, Jews do have a right to self-defense vs. Hamas fascists? n/t shira Sep 2014 #19
So to be clear, Do Palestinaians have the right to self-defense vs 4now Sep 2014 #22
Hamas terrorists don't have a right to do what they do. It's not self-defense. shira Sep 2014 #23
Israel should not murder over 500 innocent children and then try to call it self-defense 4now Sep 2014 #25
Imagine what any other WESTERN nation would do.... shira Sep 2014 #27
Imagine what any other WESTERN nation would do.... 4now Sep 2014 #31
Why, we would praise their restraint and lay down arms Scootaloo Sep 2014 #32
Lots of deflection in yr responses. You haven't answered 1 question head on. n/t shira Sep 2014 #38
Deflection. Why not simply state Israel has a right to self-defense vs. Hamas fascists? n/t shira Sep 2014 #39
4now, meet Shira. Scootaloo Sep 2014 #21
Thanks for the introduction - lol 4now Sep 2014 #24
Shira's quite a character Scootaloo Sep 2014 #28
Rockets are toys, and can mostly be ignored eridani Sep 2014 #83
Rockets are war crimes that have killed people & force hundreds.... shira Sep 2014 #84
Pretty chickenshit compared to an army, a navy and an air force n/t eridani Sep 2014 #85
You put yourself, your family, & friends in range of those rockets for years on end.... shira Sep 2014 #86
If they're so scary, why do Israelis camp out on the border picnicing and watching the attacks? eridani Sep 2014 #87
That's not really relevant even if true , King_David Sep 2014 #88
But the Palestinians ought to tolerate massive theft of water and land? n/t eridani Sep 2014 #89
Who said anything about ritual? It's just depressingly regular Scootaloo Sep 2014 #5
Jews have a right to defend themselves against Hamas fascists, correct? n/t shira Sep 2014 #7
Massacring civilians is not defense Scootaloo Sep 2014 #8
So therefore, Jews have no right to self-defense vs. Hamas fascists. Great. n/t shira Sep 2014 #11
...if you say so. n/t Scootaloo Sep 2014 #12
I asked you if there's any legit military response Israel could take vs. Hamas.... shira Sep 2014 #37
No, you didn't. Re-read your posts, and mine. Come back when reality sets in n/t Scootaloo Sep 2014 #45
Then why is it so difficult for u to state Israel has a right to self-defense vs Hamas? n/t shira Sep 2014 #52
Hamas killed 160 children in Gaza who dug tunnels... shira Sep 2014 #10
Does anyone praise Hamas for killing them, the way you praise Israel for killing three times as many Scootaloo Sep 2014 #16
I see folks going out of their way to deflect, defend, & whitewash Hamas' crimes.... shira Sep 2014 #20
Given the circles you seem to travel in, I'll bet you do Scootaloo Sep 2014 #26
Hamas is defended here constantly. Their crimes are whitewashed.... shira Sep 2014 #36
far most recently Israel has been responsible for the deaths of nearly 500 Palstinian children azurnoir Sep 2014 #34
I mention the 160 children killed by Hamas to show.... shira Sep 2014 #43
How ironic then... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #47
That 160 isn't an outrage here to those most hostile to Israel... shira Sep 2014 #53
who is deflecting? only now 3 years after it was published this paper is presented as a benchmark azurnoir Sep 2014 #67
2 OP's about it were alerted on and hidden/censored.... shira Sep 2014 #69
Really which 2 OP's about this paper were hidden? For it to be hidden an OP has to be pretty odious azurnoir Sep 2014 #71
The source (Tablet) isn't odious. Here are the 2 links, here.... shira Sep 2014 #72
Both OP's are from July25 2014 not when the paper it self was published one was hidden for being an azurnoir Sep 2014 #73
LOL at the article being posted as an "obvious deflection/justification".... shira Sep 2014 #74
Once again why wait nearly 3 years to do this "calling BS on Hamas"? azurnoir Sep 2014 #75
Probably because of the recent attack tunnel phenomenon. n/t shira Sep 2014 #77
so it was not worthy of mention until now? azurnoir Sep 2014 #80
Attack tunnels from Gaza into Israel weren't worthy of mention until recently too. shira Sep 2014 #81
Hamas tunnel attacks or attemps have been mentioned here with some frequency azurnoir Sep 2014 #82
One of the hidden OP's was an exact repost of the first one hidden azurnoir Sep 2014 #79
The paper that mentions children dieingworking the smuggling tunnels was published 3 years ago yet azurnoir Sep 2014 #48
Exactly..... ann--- Sep 2014 #44
Hamas: "Jews are the enemy of mankind, killing children brings them joy" shira Sep 2014 #18
“Gaza is a graveyard,” sing joyful Israeli youths 4now Sep 2014 #29
I'm guessing you don't see leftynyc Sep 2014 #76
‘Tomorrow there’s no school in Gaza, they don’t have any children left’ — Israeli chant 4now Sep 2014 #30
Perhaps the fact that Israel has killed several hundred children... Scootaloo Sep 2014 #33
No one but demented extremists celebrate children being killed. n/t shira Sep 2014 #35
so you're saying the crowd of Israeli youths in the HuffPo video are demented? azurnoir Sep 2014 #41
I said only demented extremists celebrate the killing of innocents or children. n/t shira Sep 2014 #42
are you referring to the Israeli youths in the video when you say that? n/t azurnoir Sep 2014 #49
But you clearly have no problem with it yourself Scootaloo Sep 2014 #46
What u mean to say is I have no problem w/ Jews defending themselves from fascists.... shira Sep 2014 #55
Wow Ben Dror Yemini !!! Israeli Sep 2014 #50
Yemini describes himself as a left-winger. shira Sep 2014 #54
So do you shira .... Israeli Sep 2014 #56
Israel has always been held to a leftynyc Sep 2014 #51
Bollocks Depaysement Sep 2014 #57
So please explain why it's ONLY Israel that is constantly compared to Nazi Germany.... shira Sep 2014 #58
Ask Bibi, he uses the comparison whenever it suits him and he is fine with it: Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #59
Apples/Oranges. Israel's harshest critics NEVER compare US/UK coalition forces.... shira Sep 2014 #60
No, actually it is a clear presentation of the bullshit that Bibi utilizes when it serves him. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #61
The hyperbole coming from left- and right- wing fascists against Israel.... shira Sep 2014 #62
Bibi and his supporters should stop it..he is their leader and it makes him sound like an idiot. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #63
Fine. How about the jew-baiting anti-Zionists inciting hate towards Jews? shira Sep 2014 #64
I don't condone invoking the Holocaust, the Nazi comparisons. The facts are more than hideous Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #65
The reason the comparisons are made is to incite hate... shira Sep 2014 #66
There will always be a contigent against the occupation because it is reprehensible. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #68
It's fine and legit to criticize the occupation.... shira Sep 2014 #70
This conflict is ripe for rhetoric, you want a contest on which side is worse? You go ahead. Jefferson23 Sep 2014 #78
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