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In reply to the discussion: Old-fashioned anti-Semitism for progressive thinkers [View all]azurnoir
(45,850 posts)34. far most recently Israel has been responsible for the deaths of nearly 500 Palstinian children
but yet you seem to be the only one going on about a supposed 160 children mentioned in a paper written by Nicholas Pelham in 2011 for some reason leading to ask : exactly who's deflecting here and from what exactly?
have you actually read Pelhams paper BTW or just what Jpost and other Rightist sources say about it?, I have and Pelham contradicts himself, it's an interesting read it goes into how tunnel workers in Gaza made more than facotry workers in the West Bank and working in the tunnels was one of the pitifully few means of gainful employment in Gaza
first Pelham states this :
Once in control of the commercial tunnels, the Hamas government set about formalizing the smuggling economy through regulation. In the wake of Operation Cast Lead, the Interior Ministry established the Tunnel Affairs Commission (TAC) to act as the regulatory authority for commercial activities. Among its first acts was to issue a list of blacklisted imports, including weapons, alcohol, and tramadol, a painkiller much used in Gaza. In response to public concern at a rising toll of tunnel casualties, particularly of child workers, the TAC issued guidelines intended to ensure safe working conditions. Over time, it fenced off the site and stationed some three hundred black-clad internal-security personnel at entry points to spot-check the documentation of persons entering and leaving the zone. Tunnel openings were patrolled on motorbike. The TAC introduced a tunnel-licensing system to prevent construction in areas deemed of national security (particularly near border fortifications where outside observation was feared, or in areas reserved for factional tunneling) and to regulate oversupply. Investors seeking clearance to build a new tunnel were required to provide proof of land ownership or notarized proof of authorization of the right to use the land. The TAC also intervened to arbitrate disputes between merchants and tunnel operators, and monitored the market for instances of sharp inflation or evidence of hoarding and price-fixing, particularly of fuel. Traders and consumers alike said they welcomed the price stabilization and removal of petty traders selling gasoline from the roadsides.
Violations were punished. In 200910, for instance, the TAC closed at least five tunnels for smuggling tramadol and two for nonpayment of cigarette taxes. It destroyed an additional fifty nonoperational tunnels to prevent their use as safe houses or conduits to and from Egypt by wanted individuals. We used to earn thousands smuggling small shipments of hand guns, grenades, bullets, and TNT, said a tunnel operator who first entered the business at the end of the second intifada, but it is no longer worth the risk to be prosecuted by Hamas.
Violations were punished. In 200910, for instance, the TAC closed at least five tunnels for smuggling tramadol and two for nonpayment of cigarette taxes. It destroyed an additional fifty nonoperational tunnels to prevent their use as safe houses or conduits to and from Egypt by wanted individuals. We used to earn thousands smuggling small shipments of hand guns, grenades, bullets, and TNT, said a tunnel operator who first entered the business at the end of the second intifada, but it is no longer worth the risk to be prosecuted by Hamas.
http://www.palestine-studies.org/jps/fulltext/42605
then a number of paragraphs later near the end of the paper makes the claim Jpost advertises a conclusion he reaches after accompanying one police patrol, also what is not stated is how any of these children died or how many of them died in the frequent IDF bombing runs on the tunnels
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Many, if not most, of the same people who condemn the killing of children in Gaza
cheapdate
Sep 2014
#2
So it wasn't self-defense? Are Israelis allowed to defend against Hamas fascists?
shira
Sep 2014
#13
Israel should not murder over 500 innocent children and then try to call it self-defense
4now
Sep 2014
#25
Deflection. Why not simply state Israel has a right to self-defense vs. Hamas fascists? n/t
shira
Sep 2014
#39
You put yourself, your family, & friends in range of those rockets for years on end....
shira
Sep 2014
#86
If they're so scary, why do Israelis camp out on the border picnicing and watching the attacks?
eridani
Sep 2014
#87
I asked you if there's any legit military response Israel could take vs. Hamas....
shira
Sep 2014
#37
No, you didn't. Re-read your posts, and mine. Come back when reality sets in n/t
Scootaloo
Sep 2014
#45
Then why is it so difficult for u to state Israel has a right to self-defense vs Hamas? n/t
shira
Sep 2014
#52
Does anyone praise Hamas for killing them, the way you praise Israel for killing three times as many
Scootaloo
Sep 2014
#16
I see folks going out of their way to deflect, defend, & whitewash Hamas' crimes....
shira
Sep 2014
#20
far most recently Israel has been responsible for the deaths of nearly 500 Palstinian children
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#34
who is deflecting? only now 3 years after it was published this paper is presented as a benchmark
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#67
Really which 2 OP's about this paper were hidden? For it to be hidden an OP has to be pretty odious
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#71
Both OP's are from July25 2014 not when the paper it self was published one was hidden for being an
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#73
Attack tunnels from Gaza into Israel weren't worthy of mention until recently too.
shira
Sep 2014
#81
The paper that mentions children dieingworking the smuggling tunnels was published 3 years ago yet
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#48
‘Tomorrow there’s no school in Gaza, they don’t have any children left’ — Israeli chant
4now
Sep 2014
#30
so you're saying the crowd of Israeli youths in the HuffPo video are demented?
azurnoir
Sep 2014
#41
I said only demented extremists celebrate the killing of innocents or children. n/t
shira
Sep 2014
#42
What u mean to say is I have no problem w/ Jews defending themselves from fascists....
shira
Sep 2014
#55
So please explain why it's ONLY Israel that is constantly compared to Nazi Germany....
shira
Sep 2014
#58
Ask Bibi, he uses the comparison whenever it suits him and he is fine with it:
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#59
Apples/Oranges. Israel's harshest critics NEVER compare US/UK coalition forces....
shira
Sep 2014
#60
No, actually it is a clear presentation of the bullshit that Bibi utilizes when it serves him.
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#61
Bibi and his supporters should stop it..he is their leader and it makes him sound like an idiot.
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#63
I don't condone invoking the Holocaust, the Nazi comparisons. The facts are more than hideous
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#65
There will always be a contigent against the occupation because it is reprehensible.
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#68
This conflict is ripe for rhetoric, you want a contest on which side is worse? You go ahead.
Jefferson23
Sep 2014
#78