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In reply to the discussion: The Global March to Jerusalem, a brave and admirable attempt to awaken the world’s conscience [View all]azurnoir
(45,850 posts)204. I answered your comments but I guess that is changing the subject?
"This isn't about whether Palestinian hatred is justified. Go back to your initial comment. You're insisting that Palestinian terrorism began as a reaction to Israelis stealing their land and that this response could be expected regardless of whether it was Jews or Arabs. The fact that you are using Israeli responses to this initial violence merely supports my point. Israeli only roads were a natural reaction to Palestinians constantly shooting at Israeli cars. Settlements are ultimately the moving of Jews BACK to areas that they previously inhabited and were ethnically cleansed from. Settler violence is a very recent phenomenon which hardly reflects the reasons for this conflict being initiated."
a natural reaction? so Jews in Hebron have a natural right to move back take over houses ect is that your stance if so explain why Arabs who lived in what is now Israel do not have the same right or is it that Israel demolished and/or renamed villages in an attempt to wipe from the page of history?
"100 years ago, Jews began immigrating to Palestine and the reaction was to massacre and expel indigenous (and later foreign) Jews. Arabs immigrated and the response was to integrate them."
the earliest Arab massacre of Jews I could find was an incident in 1834 that happened during an Arab revolt against the Ottomans in Safed however that obviously had nothing to do with Jewish immigration after that we move to 1920 and the Nabi Musa riots and of course Hebron but both of those incident happened after Balfour. Now as to your assertion that Arabs Palestine to create some artificial majority that has been disproved again and again here, we should believe then that prior to Zionism Palestine was largely uninhabited?
"Your argument is predicated on the assumption that Arabs in Palestine bore a natural right to rule the land and control the influx of minorities lest they lose their demographic advantage. The idea that this rule is sacrosanct and must include the entirety of the Middle East (barring Iran) is referred to as a matter of fact. So much so that the decision to allow Jews the right to immigrate to a tiny sliver of the whole can be un-ironically referred to as "stealing Arab land."
no my argument was that the colonial British promised something that was not theirs to promise.
a natural reaction? so Jews in Hebron have a natural right to move back take over houses ect is that your stance if so explain why Arabs who lived in what is now Israel do not have the same right or is it that Israel demolished and/or renamed villages in an attempt to wipe from the page of history?
"100 years ago, Jews began immigrating to Palestine and the reaction was to massacre and expel indigenous (and later foreign) Jews. Arabs immigrated and the response was to integrate them."
the earliest Arab massacre of Jews I could find was an incident in 1834 that happened during an Arab revolt against the Ottomans in Safed however that obviously had nothing to do with Jewish immigration after that we move to 1920 and the Nabi Musa riots and of course Hebron but both of those incident happened after Balfour. Now as to your assertion that Arabs Palestine to create some artificial majority that has been disproved again and again here, we should believe then that prior to Zionism Palestine was largely uninhabited?
"Your argument is predicated on the assumption that Arabs in Palestine bore a natural right to rule the land and control the influx of minorities lest they lose their demographic advantage. The idea that this rule is sacrosanct and must include the entirety of the Middle East (barring Iran) is referred to as a matter of fact. So much so that the decision to allow Jews the right to immigrate to a tiny sliver of the whole can be un-ironically referred to as "stealing Arab land."
no my argument was that the colonial British promised something that was not theirs to promise.
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The Global March to Jerusalem, a brave and admirable attempt to awaken the world’s conscience [View all]
Scurrilous
Mar 2012
OP
Things must be boring lately if a march has to be built up into an attack on Israel itself...
Violet_Crumble
Mar 2012
#14
Several rally participants expressed anger over the presence of Neturei Karta members, and a verbal
King_David
Mar 2012
#8
‘2-million-strong march to Jerusalem’ fizzles; anti-Zionist rabbis beaten at Jordan protest
shira
Mar 2012
#13
No, the ones who BEAT the rabbis don't represent the true spirit of the march
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#26
You assume that those results are the only possible outcome to self-determination
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#51
Civil rights are still a relevant issue. What happened in Gaza doesn't change that.
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#58
who is "we" shira? as in "How are we wrong?" and more over what is that "we" are after?
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#68
depends on your sources and what they say so no deal I do not agree to anything blindly
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#103
Lol knew said so in the first post after your 'challange' but I hardly backed down did I?
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#110
i don't say you don't care...but you care first and foremost for a govt based on race....
pelsar
Apr 2012
#79
you are actually not just calling the Palestinians modern day Nazi's your accusing them of
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#81
Stop blaming other people for what you post. YOU called Palestinians Nazis...
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#94
I don't care what you think of anyone else's post. I'm talking about YOUR post...
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#106
the standard in this forum is to make extreme exaggerations -just don't use the "N" word
pelsar
Apr 2012
#112
What part of what I've said aren't you understanding? Stop blaming others for that ugly post...
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#115
Yr still trying to blame others for that disgusting post. Stop trying to deflect...
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#119
you confusing blame with motivation, i don't blame others, i was motivated by past posts.
pelsar
Apr 2012
#121
Blame? Motivation? It's the same thing. Yr not responsible for what you posted. They made you do it.
Violet_Crumble
Apr 2012
#122
actually there is a difference between motivation and blame...at least in my world
pelsar
Apr 2012
#124
For the record, the term"carpet-bombed"(a term I did later modify since I accepted
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#148
Why are you bringing up the lies about organ theft in association with MY post?
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#147
just a mirror? please pointing out the irony of complaining about Palestian nationalism
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#101
There's nothing that continuing the Occupation can do to abet the cause of human rights
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#84
I've proven that right-wing nationalism does NOT come first to me. So don't ever say it does again
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#86
But it comes before Palestinian civil liberties under their leadership, right? n/t
shira
Apr 2012
#87
It ended up meaning very, very little that the words "all men are created equal"
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#91
Will you please just admit that I don't WANT a right-wing nationalist state in Palestine?
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#97
please stop saying "you're stuck" and just TELL me what other option you're thinking of
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#165
I never attacked "Israelis"-I disagreed with some policies of the Israeli government, and that's
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#169
If I was concerned about upsetting the powers-that-be in the ME, I wouldn't have supported
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#99
You don't say much about Mubarak/Hamas b/c civil rights there don't matter to you
shira
Apr 2012
#149
I did support the Iranian uprising. And I don't feel that either is hasbara.
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#159
There were NO positive options that involved Israel retaining control of Gaza
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#145
You're bringing up Begin when Barak's agreement to Clinton's Initiatives were in 2000
shira
Apr 2012
#154
No, it did not. If it had, the people of Gaza would have supported that leadership
Ken Burch
Apr 2012
#198
ya it started about the time the British colonial ruler decided to give the Arabs land
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#31
quote "There was no Palestinian resistance when the territories were occupied by Jordan and Egypt"
azurnoir
Apr 2012
#44
Nazi inspired? " The Syrian Social Nationalist Party" began in 1932 before the Nazi party took over
azurnoir
Mar 2012
#18